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LOL - I doubt it's that calculated ... though I wouldn't be surprised if Wynne has her re-election in her own riding in mind - remember the Eglinton line goes right through Wynne's riding.
 
jje1000 said:
I would imagine that this presentation would be intended to inform the populace about their plans, which would be quite helpful if you don't want any ill-informed resistance (à la Transit City or the St. Clair ROW) to pop up.
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Indeed. In fact, I was just talking to someone that didn't even know the Eglinton "subway" plan existed. I had incorrectly assumed that just about everyone and their dog had heard about it already.
 
Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown Update

TTC has what their contact i spoke to called an "interim" project website at www.crosstown.ttc.ca . At a meeting hosted by the Mount Dennis Community Association on Tuesday, they noted they'll be starting work on a better new site soon.

The "overview" link shows the recent presentations. In addition to June 21, they have a June 30th Minister and TTC Chair meeting. Looks like they provide the same general overview (as April and May meetings) with some info tailored to the local community. Maybe by June 30 they'll have more construction info?

Date: June 30th, 2011
Time: 7:00pm - 8:30pm
Location: York Civic Centre Council Chamber - 2700 Eglinton Avenue West
 
Curious.................what is going to happen to Eglinton when it's done?
I know Malvern is on the "to do" list but what about west expansion? Is the long term view to continue to tunnel to Pearson or make the line a big "U" by heading north at the GO line up to Weston and eventually Humber College?
 
Steve Munro just got more info about the project.

Here's an interesting tidbit about proposed frequencies for the line. Service level seems to about as good as a moderately used bus line for TTC standards.

In response to a question about the level of service riders might see, a Metrolinx official replied that there would likely be 3-car LRV trains running every 6 minutes at peak, 12 at off peak. Metrolinx needs to understand that “rapid transit†is not the same as a GO train every hour. On a route where the average journey will likely be under 20 minutes (few will make the 45 minute trip from STC to Jane), long headways will contribute substantially to the trip length and to a perception that service is less than adequate. There’s a reason why the TTC runs subway trains every five minutes whether they are needed or not.
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That's horrible, US style service!
Aren't they going to automate this thing to bring down operational costs? I know under Miller that would have offended his pro-union sensibilities but surely that can't be an issue with Ford?
 
More trains can be added later. I think that building the entire thing first should be the priority, not worrying about the level of service.
 
If those will be their frequencies, I think that they should be considering using 2-car trains temporarily with 4 minute-frequency during rush hours and 8 minutes during off-peak. When ridership builds up, then they can start appending a third car.

Also, since this line will be grade-separated, there won't be any delays to intersections at all, unlike those cities who will build LRTs on-street. I'm not sure but either Hamilton or Waterloo Region says that their LRTs cannot be more frequent than 5 minutes since it will severely interfere with traffic and buses crossing intersections.
 
UD2 said:
LRV trains are perma linked. You can't just take one out.
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Yes, you can. It's LRV's coupled together.


ssiguy2 said:
That's horrible, US style service!
Aren't they going to automate this thing to bring down operational costs? I know under Miller that would have offended his pro-union sensibilities but surely that can't be an issue with Ford?
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12 minutes off peak is far more frequent than many US systems. I think it's not frequent enough, but it's hardly "US style".
Why would you spend money to automate a system that isn't going to be more frequent than 5 mintues?
 
Considering that It's going to be a grade separated line replacing a mixed traffic bus service, you're probably still going to get to your destination in less time. In more comfort to boot.
 
Justin10000 said:
Yes, you can. It's LRV's coupled together.




12 minutes off peak is far more frequent than many US systems. I think it's not frequent enough, but it's hardly "US style".
Why would you spend money to automate a system that isn't going to be more frequent than 5 mintues?
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Why wouldn't you want to automate the system? I'm sure it can only add to the efficiency of the line :S Why don't I send mail anymore? because a computer can automatically send an e-mail for me much more efficiently! If the costs for implementing Automation were more than just running them as is, then I can understand, but I really think automation provides an opportunity for cutting costs. Especially if automation is built-in to the system (like the SRT originally was)
 
The line will be equipped with ATO. It's going to be pretty damn efficient especially if the frequencies are planned to be 6 min peak. and 12 off peak.

What is your rationale for automation resulting in cost-savings? Just because a train has no driver doesn't mean you save on labour. You're still going to need people to watch the trains in a control centre, highly trained employees to maintain the computers, and a maintenace staff that will need to be trained to repair and fix highly complex systems.
 
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