Why build it now when it won't be in use for more than 5 years? It can be built as the rest of the line nears completion so that it is all ready to run at the same time.
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Why build it now when it won't be in use for more than 5 years? It can be built as the rest of the line nears completion so that it is all ready to run at the same time.
nfitz
Superstar
I'd assume they have already got a timeframe set up internally for what happens when. I'd think that the underground stations at Kennedy and Don Mills Road would go first. And I'd think they'd be trying to co-ordinate with the city so that any necessary hydro, sewer, water work was done first, so they don't have to rip up the new roadway and sidewalks again afterwards.
Agreed.
Markster
Senior Member
It will be all at once.
If they wanted to do a phased opening, the surface section would be the candidate to open first, as it would only take about 3 construction seasons. But, the maintenance facility is on the far end of the underground section. The tunnel section will honestly take until 2021, so there would be no access to vehicles.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
They'll be staring it soon. December 2017
cplchanb
Senior Member
Did they have any feasible option during the planning phases to have the maintenance facilities near the above ground sections should they have chosen to phase the opening from the getgo?
nfitz
Superstar
The earlier plan had a second yard on Sheppard East, that would have been accessed through the converted SRT. Recall they twice sent that yard to RFQ - it would have been the first built, and included early surface LRT on the eastern end of the Sheppard East line, so that they had some track to test the incoming Bombardier vehicles.
Rainforest
Senior Member
Perhaps an even greater problem is that the surface section would be absolutely useless without the central tunnel part. The riders would have to take LRT to Laird, and then transfer to mixed-traffic buses through the most congested part of Eglinton in order to reach Yonge. They are better off if they just board a bus from the beginning.
A useful phased opening would definitely include a connection to subway (either Yonge or Spadina) from Day 1.
Markster
Senior Member
Absolutely. The tunneled section is the most logical phase 1, and it's already the part that is dictating opening day.
Realistically, the phased opening that we should all hope for, are the Eglinton West and Morningside extensions. With political will, it's entirely possible to get those under construction by 2021.
Realistically, the phased opening that we should all hope for, are the Eglinton West and Morningside extensions. With political will, it's entirely possible to get those under construction by 2021.
Steve X
Senior Member
A very low percentage of people take the bus all the way from Kennedy to Yonge. The bus empties out by the DVP both directions. There isn't a real demand for LRT east of the DVP, bus are fine for now. Unless the entire link is completed, there isn't a real point of having the surface section. The maintenance yard is in the west end so this discussion is pointless.
aquateam
Active Member
So, sorry if this has already been answered, but does anyone know if the underground sections will have platform screen doors? It would be dumfoundingly shortsited of them not to include them as part of the $5.4 billion line, given that it's been already announced that they'll be operating on ATC in the underground sections.
cplchanb
Senior Member
not sure but I dont see the advantages of having them on this project because its low floor. The reason why it would make sense for the metro lines is because its high floor so people can fall down to track level. In this case its just like the underground stations for the streetcars so the conditions will be identical as if its at grade.
Megaton327
Senior Member
There's also no electrified third rail.
ATO is a possible issue if the trains can't detect pedestrians to stop, but my understanding is the crosstown trains, despite being on ATO when underground, will always have a driver in the cab obviously due to the above-ground segments. Logically they should have control over an emergency brake button that overrides ATO, for instance when entering a station if they see someone on the tracks.
nfitz
Superstar
Keep in mind, a future installation of doors on the Eglinton line would be a lot cheaper than the existing subway lines, because you don't have the structural issue of trying to build the heavy door on a piece of platform that is already cantilevered.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Crosslinx is now setting up at the site of the Eglinton bus terminal. A few Crosslinz vehicles on site and Crosslinx signage up. It's happening!