TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Heck, just have the LRT fly under the westbound lanes of traffic, so the track alignment can go from a north to centre alignment. Similar to what is being done for FWLRT at Highway 27.
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Heck, just have the LRT fly under the westbound lanes of traffic, so the track alignment can go from a north to centre alignment. Similar to what is being done for FWLRT at Highway 27.
Palma
Senior Member
But Spadina turns onto Queens Quay so i would think easier. What do you do when the line is straight? Slowly go diagonally from the centre to one side?
Ok I just saw the illustration above.
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nfitz
Superstar
What's Spadina got to do with the cross-over on Queens Quay? 509 is straight, it doesn't turn at Spadina. If there was absolutely no tracks on Spadina at all, it's still comparable.
CapitalSeven
Senior Member
There's a fifty foot drop between Weston Road and Jane. Then the Humber and Scarlett, then a very long climb up to Royal York. Your proposal would mean over a mile of tunnel under a wide road through some empty flats and past a river, with two subway-style stations, followed by a half-mile ramp to get back to the surface. It might make sense to elevate it like the section over Black Creek, but a tunnel would be insane.
Steve X
Senior Member
The people living in park would be happy? There is zero housing between the western portal (west of Weston Rd) to Humber river. Check it out on Google maps. It's completely park land between Scarlett and the portal.
I don't think it's wise to spend that much money on Crosstown West. Buses run rather empty with lots of room on the entire corridor. From Jane to Royal York, there is only the Plant World, a high rise access west of Scarlett and Emmett that would allow cars to make a left. It's perfectly fine in the middle of the road. Tunneling under the Humber River would result in significantly higher cost for no real purpose. They could do below grade at Jane and block off Emmett. Cars from eastbound could go north on Jane. Scarlett is more tricky. Tunneling would need to be really deep and elevation would need to start beyond east of the river. Royal York intersection has lower usage. It's Islington, Kipling and Martin Grove that really needs the grade separation.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
With the Jane LRT as a possible, the current plans is for a grand union between the Jane LRT and the Eglington Crosstown LRT. Whether or not they will actually build the grand union tracks when they construct the Crosstown West (use the tracks as a siding), or just put in a rough-in for it, we'll see.
Having the grand union as a surface intersection would be way, way cheaper than going underground. More likely they would go for a partial union.
Having the grand union as a surface intersection would be way, way cheaper than going underground. More likely they would go for a partial union.
crs1026
Superstar
I like the elevated option across the flats at Jane because
a) It mitigates the grade problem
b) it avoids the traffic issues at the Jane intersection
c) It minimises impact on the recreational lands in the valley
c) It's a short logical and low-risk place to try some elevated construction in the city, to demonstrate the quality and cost-effectiveness of this method. If we don't try a little of things, we will have endless debates on a hypothetical level with most people not having direct experience with what is being discussed. A real life example is worth a thousand pictures.
As noted, tunneling under the river beds is an utter non-starter.
- Paul
a) It mitigates the grade problem
b) it avoids the traffic issues at the Jane intersection
c) It minimises impact on the recreational lands in the valley
c) It's a short logical and low-risk place to try some elevated construction in the city, to demonstrate the quality and cost-effectiveness of this method. If we don't try a little of things, we will have endless debates on a hypothetical level with most people not having direct experience with what is being discussed. A real life example is worth a thousand pictures.
As noted, tunneling under the river beds is an utter non-starter.
- Paul
Palma
Senior Member
my goodness sorry, I got mixed up between the 2 and what I meant was the Queens Quay from Union Station is one thing but what I was implying was if the LRT was going westbound on Eglinton, in the centre of the street, grade separated from traffic, then somehow needs to veer to the right and end up on the northside. How would you handle the cars that were in that lane and now there is an LRT? (I was thinking streetcar on St Clair in centre and then has to move over to the side of the road). They would need to cross the tracks now. But as I then saw the illustration and that the LRT is to go over whatever you call it as it approaches Black Creek and goes into the hill of that underpass it makes sense that it ends up on the northside.
But if the plan is it will be in the centre after leaving Weston Road another overpass for the LRT to get on is needed further north or wherever to elevate LRT, That's the only way
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Palma
Senior Member
I had no idea, Boy that street is challenging. Perhaps it needs to be explained better at community meeting and shown graphically on boards people can actually see or on a large monitor. I think once its explained it will make sense
Palma
Senior Member
I am well aware of that as I took that stretch taking my son to school. I meant houses on streets off Scarlett Ed north of Eglinton and south of Eglinton
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Tuscani01
Senior Member
Why go to Chicago for inspiration? We have our own elevated guideway in Scarborough that is way less obstructive than Chicago's El.
Source: BlogTO
The connection between the Jane LRT and Eglinton LRT doesn't need to be right at the intersection.
Palma
Senior Member
reminds me of the Gardiner
crs1026
Superstar
Does there need to be a connection at all ? Are we assuming Mount Dennis must be the maintenance base for a Jane LRT ? As opposed to Finch ?
It's downtown streetcar thinking to assume we need alternate routings.... Makes sense when you need to divert the 505 around a fire or parade .... But less meaningful for the extended LRT grid which won't have any alternate routes. Until we get a Jane LRT, the Finch and Eglinton lines will be landlocked anyways.
- Paul
It's downtown streetcar thinking to assume we need alternate routings.... Makes sense when you need to divert the 505 around a fire or parade .... But less meaningful for the extended LRT grid which won't have any alternate routes. Until we get a Jane LRT, the Finch and Eglinton lines will be landlocked anyways.
- Paul
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
History lesson. Hurricane Hazel flooded Eglinton Flats (Eglinton & Jane) in 1954.
The Eglinton Flats were originally garden lot farms, which were flooded out from Hurricane Hazel. Eglinton & Jane are now on hillocks above the floodplain. The land is currently saturated from the high water table because of the Humber River. Even rainfalls leave surface water that takes "forever" to drain. Going underground will have a BIG cost to it because of the high water table.
The Eglinton Flats were originally garden lot farms, which were flooded out from Hurricane Hazel. Eglinton & Jane are now on hillocks above the floodplain. The land is currently saturated from the high water table because of the Humber River. Even rainfalls leave surface water that takes "forever" to drain. Going underground will have a BIG cost to it because of the high water table.