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"Fan of Crosstown West extension to the airport? Neither minister nor MPP would openly support it last night. Afraid of the Fords still. Sad."
https://twitter.com/c_9/status/695223093002952704

I think this was probably known beforehand. The city will be the ones paying for this extension to the airport, the province is broke and doesn't need to commit itself to funding this particular extension.
 
WislaHD said:
"Fan of Crosstown West extension to the airport? Neither minister nor MPP would openly support it last night. Afraid of the Fords still. Sad."
https://twitter.com/c_9/status/695223093002952704

I think this was probably known beforehand. The city will be the ones paying for this extension to the airport, the province is broke and doesn't need to commit itself to funding this particular extension.
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I find it really hard to believe they are afraid of the Fords who have become so irrelevant
 
WislaHD said:
"Fan of Crosstown West extension to the airport? Neither minister nor MPP would openly support it last night. Afraid of the Fords still. Sad."
https://twitter.com/c_9/status/695223093002952704

I think this was probably known beforehand. The city will be the ones paying for this extension to the airport, the province is broke and doesn't need to commit itself to funding this particular extension.
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The feds have extra infrastructure cash to hand out, and they've made it known they don't necessarily need provincial/municipal contributions to get it out the door. The Crosstown extension is pretty much shovel ready, so if the city made a request, I have no doubt it would qualify for immediate funding.
 
Tuscani01 said:
The feds have extra infrastructure cash to hand out, and they've made it known they don't necessarily need provincial/municipal contributions to get it out the door. The Crosstown extension is pretty much shovel ready, so if the city made a request, I have no doubt it would qualify for immediate funding.
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And the EA is already done too. This is shovel ready and the city just needs to pass it at council. Politicians never commits to hypothetical scenarios, only facts so his reaction wasn't surprising
 
Cobra said:
And the EA is already done too. This is shovel ready and the city just needs to pass it at council. Politicians never commits to hypothetical scenarios, only facts so his reaction wasn't surprising
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Unfortunately that EA has expired. They have time limits.

So it will need to be updated. Still won't take as long as a brand new EA but it will take some time.
 
robmausser said:
Unfortunately that EA has expired. They have time limits.
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What's your basis for this statement? It's only about 6 years old. The period is 10 years.

And when it does expire, all the proponent has to do is a review and publish the results; if they believe that it is still appropriate to proceed, they can do so without any new approvals. See https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/080231#BK20
 
Did they not re-study the Crosstown West as part of the SmartTrack western corridor study?

They used Crosstown West as the base case against the various SmartTrack options.
 
WislaHD said:
"Fan of Crosstown West extension to the airport? Neither minister nor MPP would openly support it last night. Afraid of the Fords still. Sad."
https://twitter.com/c_9/status/695223093002952704
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I took a far more positive spin away from their comments. In particular, when the Renforth hub was raised, Leslie Woo described it by saying that the Mississauga Busway would come that far "and you will have rapid transit going east from there" (best I can recall her words). None of the panel phrased it in terms of "IF". They did emphasise that the City had the lead on planning it, and for holding consultations about it. I took that as simply minding their P's and Q's (especially since they haven't been asked to fund it - yet).

Del Duca praised Mayor Tory for abandoning the idea of a subway and moving to LRT as a much more viable option. He also stressed that "LRT is not a streetcar and when you see the plans, they will look nothing like a streetcar". He did not distance himself from the proposal.

The pols did skate around the criticisms of the City for selling the lands along Eglinton. I think that was a matter of not picking a fight, rather than being noncommittal towards LRT.

- Paul
 
Since the Crosstown west would be going into Mississauga should that not mean Mississauga should be paying for the costs as soon as it hits its border? Why would Toronto need to pay for the whole thing? Same thing as SmartTrack going into Marham. What I find amazing is that the province, and federal gov't will chip in their share for SmartTrack as will Toronto but what about Markham? Why does the province pay on behalf of the other towns the GO goes through but once it gets to Toronto they expect Toronto to put up their share?
 
The LRT would likely not run in Mississauga other than the last few hundred metres into the airport stop. It would run along Silver Dart Drive which is inside the city of Toronto.. And the part in Mississauga is on GTAA property so GTAA would be more likely to pay for it than Mississauga.
 
Palma said:
What I find amazing is that the province, and federal gov't will chip in their share for SmartTrack as will Toronto but what about Markham? Why does the province pay on behalf of the other towns the GO goes through but once it gets to Toronto they expect Toronto to put up their share?
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Pre Smarttrack, the Province was clear that Crosstown ended at Mount Dennis and that's as far as they were funding.

Tory extracted further (partial) funding promises for ST, but without calling it a GO service. Nothing compels the Province to fund ST on the same basis as it funds GO. Similarly, if ST ends up looking like a western Crosstown extension, nothing compels the Province to fund it as if it was part of Crosstown all along. They have clearly stated that Mount Dennis is all they can afford just now.

If ST goes to Unionville, or into Mississauga, and the Provincial/Federal contribution doesn't cover the whole cost, it's quite possible that Toronto would ask Mississauga or Markham to contribute. The problem for Toronto is if they say 'no' - which they may well do. Does Tory abandon the whole idea because he's short a little bit of the pot? (Based on miles of track, the Mississauga and Markham share would be a small fraction). I would bet that he wouldn't. The City would make up the difference - under protest - and hope that they could leverage the 'unfairnes' for some other concession or funding.

- Paul
 
Palma said:
Since the Crosstown west would be going into Mississauga should that not mean Mississauga should be paying for the costs as soon as it hits its border? Why would Toronto need to pay for the whole thing? Same thing as SmartTrack going into Marham. What I find amazing is that the province, and federal gov't will chip in their share for SmartTrack as will Toronto but what about Markham? Why does the province pay on behalf of the other towns the GO goes through but once it gets to Toronto they expect Toronto to put up their share?
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I don't think the City of Toronto paid for Crosstown.

AoD
 
As long as SmartTrack, or Crosstown LRT, go a short distance into Markham to Unionville, or to ACC in Mississauga, it will primarily serve Torontonians acessing job clusters there. Obviously, Markham and Mississauga won't pay for those sections. Btw, they do not ask TTC to pay them for the fact that they run their bus routes to Kipling / Islington / Finch / Don Mills subway stations.

Likewise, Mississauga will not pay for any service that just connects Torontonians to the airport.

On the other hand, if the LRT line goes all the way to Square One, it becomes a service primarily for the residents of Mississauga. In that case, it is only fair to expect them to pay the municipal share.
 
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