[Amare]

I really would like to know how much money Metrolinx has spent on these station naming consultants. Hiring outside consultants to tell you how to name stations seems a little ridiculous to me. And I can't help but feel that if the TTC did the same, it would stir up quite the controversy.

Wait, hold on. Metrolinx hired consultants to determine station names? You have got to be kidding me. It's amazes me how many times to province loves to waste money on ridiculous and pointless things, but this is out of hand.

Metrolinx -the organization responsible for transit planning in the province- had to hire outside consultants to figure out the best way to name stations on a transit line? Then the consultants release the names, and Metrolinx tells them that they don't like the names. This is possibly the most pathetic thing I have heard in my life (and i'm putting that very lightly).

 

[Adjei]

They hired outside firms as part of a Regional Wayfinding Harmonization, developing a new way for naming stations is just one component. I don't see how overhauling the disorganized transit wayfinding in this region is a waste of money.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Wait, hold on. Metrolinx hired consultants to determine station names? You have got to be kidding me. It's amazes me how many times to province loves to waste money on ridiculous and pointless things, but this is out of hand.

Metrolinx -the organization responsible for transit planning in the province- had to hire outside consultants to figure out the best way to name stations on a transit line? Then the consultants release the names, and Metrolinx tells them that they don't like the names. This is possibly the most pathetic thing I have heard in my life (and i'm putting that very lightly).

Yup. In the board meeting they mentioned that they hired consultants out of London (UK) to tell them how to name the stations. The consultants were behind a successful way finding initiative for Transport for London, and I assume that Metrolinx staff expected the same results here. Flawed thinking because these consultants wouldn't be as familiar with Toronto as they are with londonLondon. We see this reflected in their work, where they recommended rarely used names like Keelesdale and Silverthorne, and misplaced stations like Forest Hill.

I'm getting the impression that Metrolinx is becoming too tied up in their own bureaucracy. Perhaps more public oversight is called for.

 

[Adjei]

Yup. In the board meeting they mentioned that they hired consultants out of London (UK) to tell them how to name the stations. The consultants were behind a successful way finding initiative for Transport for London, and I assume that Metrolinx staff expected the same results here. Flawed thinking because these consultants wouldn't be as familiar with Toronto as they are with londonLondon. We see this reflected in their work, where they recommended rarely used names like Keelesdale and Silverthorne, and misplaced stations like Forest Hill.

I'm getting the impression that Metrolinx is becoming too tied up in their own bureaucracy. Perhaps more public oversight is called for.

Dude stop making up stuff. They did not hire consultants specifically to name stations. They hired them as part of a Wayfinding initiative which includes a new way to name stations: http://kerrsmithblog.com/2014/12/09/metrolinx-2/

 

[CDL.TO]

They hired outside firms as part of a Regional Wayfinding Harmonization, developing a new way for naming stations is just one component. I don't see how overhauling the disorganized transit wayfinding in this region is a waste of money.

Exactly. Saying they're "station naming consultants" is misrepresenting the situation.

Besides, if the number of rapid transit stations are going to double or triple as is planned, it makes much more sense to sort out a standard NOW rather than later.

Dude stop making up stuff. They did not hire consultants specifically to name stations. They hired them as part of a Wayfinding initiative which includes a new way to name stations: http://kerrsmithblog.com/2014/12/09/metrolinx-2/

Yes, and as that link makes clear, the UK team is only part of the consulting team. The other part (KerrSmith) is 100% local.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Exactly. Saying they're "station naming consultants" is misrepresenting the situation.

Besides, if the number of rapid transit stations are going to double or triple as is planned, it makes much more sense to sort out a standard NOW rather than later.

I'm sorry if I didn't understand correctly, but I really don't appreciate you accusing me of lying. If you watch the Metrolinx board meeting, you'll understand why I said that. Metrolinx staff did say the same thing. I was only repeating what Metrolinx staff said. The fact that you guys would accuse me of intentionally misleading is upsetting.

Everyone, I apologize for spreading the misinformation. It was not intentional. I was only repeating what I heard at the meeting.

 

[Adjei]

Dude, stop accusing me of making stuff up. I was only repeating what I heard at the Metrolinx board meeting. Metrolinx staff mentioned they brought in an outside firm to name the stations.

I watched the meeting. They mentioned in bringing in outside consultants to develop a way to name stations in the region but that was not the specific reason they were brought in. They came is a part of a broader initiative. People need to stop passing off half truths on this forum.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

I watched the meeting. They mentioned in bringing in outside consultants to develop a way to name stations in the region but that was not the specific reason they were brought in. They came is a part of a broader initiative. People need to stop passing off half truths on this forum.

I wasn't intentionally passing off half truths. I only said what the staff in charge of the initiative said. I really had no reason to doubt if what she said was accurate, as she was in charge of the initiative.

You need stop accusing people of lying or making stuff up. If something is inaccurate, you need to inquire about why it was inaccurate, before accusing them of being malicious. There's often a good reason about it. I really don't appreciate you bringing my character into question with your misinformed accusations.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

I really hope you people don't accuse people of lying whenever you hear something wrong. That's not the right way to go about things.

 

[CDL.TO]

No one is bringing your character into question. No one used the word "lie".

You're seeing something which isn't there.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

No one is bringing your character into question. No one used the word "lie".

"Making stuff up" is synonymous with "lie", no?

 

[CDL.TO]

OK, but that's a common turn of phrase when people are stating things that are incorrect. It's not a big deal. You're still getting way too worked up about that. You've made 5 posts in a row about it.

Say "I misunderstood. I should have done my homework." and just move on.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

OK, but that's a common turn of phrase when people are stating things that are incorrect.

There's a huge difference between "what you said is not true" and "you're making things up". One is pointing out an inaccuracy, the other is a making an accusation. People point out inaccuracies on UT all the time. When they've done so in the past, I've never had any issue with it whatsoever. But the reason this bothered me so much was because the was also an accusation about my intent. I can't recall ever having someone here accuse me of lying, or "making things up", before @Adjei just did.

I watched the meeting. They mentioned in bringing in outside consultants to develop a way to name stations in the region but that was not the specific reason they were brought in.

So in other words, my statement was accurate:

"In the board meeting they mentioned that they hired consultants out of London (UK) to tell them how to name the station."

Note that I mentioned that this was the statement of Metrolinx staff (so the statement was not my own thoughts on the matter). Everything after that statement was prefixed by "I assume". Like I said previously, I was only sharing what I recall hearing in the meeting. Your account of the meeting appears to be fully congruent with mine. Nothing was made up.

Say "I misunderstood. I should have done my homework." and just move on.

And I admitted I misunderstood. I just don't want people thinking I'm on this forum trying to mislead them.

Anyways, moving on... I made my point.

 

[Adjei]

One thing I found interesting after watching the Metrolinx board meeting was they justified having weather protection at the stops for the Finch LRT because they said the suburban nature of Finch while Eglinton is more urban hence it doesn't require weather protection. Last I checked the surface stops in Scarborough on Eglinton are as suburban as Finch but they don't have weather protection from the elements at the stops...What gives..

 

[nfitz]

I suspect the real answer is that Eglinton has already been tendered, while Finch West hasn't.