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TheTigerMaster said:
So the TTC was likely correct when they said Metrolinx's s 2020 deadline was nonsense.
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Perhaps. Given how far along the Spadina extension stations are, and it isn't scheduled to open until 2018 (sorry, December 31, 2017), it's hard to believe that Eglinton could be opening less than 36 months later!
 
nfitz said:
They've been throwing 2020 around for years, but the contract award a few weeks ago is a couple of years after it was supposed to be when they first started throwing 2020 around.

They've said that they'd be a new schedule come out after the financial close. And now that has happened (apparently at least - very bizarre that the contractor has announced to shareholders that they achieved financial close, but neither Metrolinx or Infrastructure Ontario have announced it), I'd think we'll have a date in a few months.

My money is on 2022.
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My understanding is the contract has penalties for being late. If the contractor team can make the target date they get more money. For every month they are late (except for things that are beyond their control) they lose money. So being able to meet the schedule is important to the shareholders.

That doesn't mean Metrolinx won't agree to extend the deadline without penalty at some point, or that things that are beyond their control won't interfere with the schedule.
 
I think that is correct. What we don't know, is what the target date is in that contract. I can only assume the lack of rushing to an announcement, is that it's not good. They are probably waiting for some massive news event to drop it while no one is looking. Election day?
 
44 North said:
If you can find proof that an elevated Crosstown east was proposed, by all means speculate on why it was opposed (and who did the opposing). But since there was no proposition, there couldn't have been opposition.

Unless I'm wrong and there was an elevated Crosstown east proposed since its inception in MoveOntario2020 and Transit City? Was it ever mentioned in any of the Crosstown studies or EA? If it was, it would be news to me.
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The only proof I have is this news article http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2010/12/20/elevated_transit_among_metrolinxs_alternatives.html

Elevated transit is among the alternatives Metrolinx is considering to address Toronto Mayor Rob Ford’s concerns about street-level light rail that takes away car lanes from city streets.
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Spokesman Brad Ross confirmed the TTC is studying elevated rail “to better understand the implications of such a system, including costs.”
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To me this says that it was considered, and I agree it was not killed due to any opposition to elevated transit. That still brings us back to the question of who killed it.

The only hint from the MOU (March 2011) is that the Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown Project would be
in a tunnel except for short sections in the area of the Don Valley and, potentially near the Jane Street / Black Creek and Kennedy Stations.
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So does this mean it was hoped that Brentcliffe to Don Mills, Don Mills to Bermondsey, and West of Kennedy (maybe Ionview to Kennedy) would be elevated. That in itself would have saved a good chunk of money compared to the original estimate. Maybe they would have realized that there was no logical place near Bermondey to go underground and no place near Kennedy to come out of ground and then proposed keeping that entire 4 km section elevated - after all, 4km is still "short" (the wording in the MOU) compared to the 25 km length of the line. After this MOU, it appears that Ford switched to other priorities (drugs) and left it for TTC (Stintz) and Metrolinx (McCuiag and MTO Ministers Wynne or Chiarelli) to sort out the details of elevation.
 
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Still waiting for the TBM tracker map to be updated with any movement.

See link.

Wondering if after the TBMs (plural) has completed its assignment, if the map could be altered to show the development of actual laying of the permanent trackwork. Both underground and surface tracks.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
Has any track work begun?
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The only trackwork there is are the temporary tracks to transport the dug out dirt or transporting workers and material. They will be replaced by the real trackwork later.

Or any covered over streetcar tracks on the road surface.
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BurlOak said:
To me this says that it was considered, and I agree it was not killed due to any opposition to elevated transit. That still brings us back to the question of who killed it.
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The M.O.U. obviously "killed" it. That occurred only three months after your Star article, which suggests that an elevated option was given very little if any real consideration.
 
In hindsight I should have known better than to come up with that silly joke. I retract what I said and apologize if it offended anyone.
 
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