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TheTigerMaster said:
With enough money, they probably could. For example, building more stations at once and starting work on the surface section ASAP.
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I don't see why the surface could not have started or the underground between BlackCreek/Keele and Eglinton West. Its because of the $$$$ and the the need for the Liberals to spread that money out over longer period of time
 
wopchop said:
Advancing the schedule by four years would require an insane amount of extra money. Easily in the billions.
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Why? If the Liberals have the money give it up front instead of spreading it out over a longer period of time. Joh Tory had it right
 
howl said:
The main time constraint is that they can't just shut down the whole street completely for three years. They can only close down portions of the street, complete the work and then move to the next portion. Since most of the stations are under the intersections it not only affects Eglinton but all the cross streets as well.
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So why not start at the first station in the west end now instead of waiting till tunnelling is completed? Plus I read on urban toronto that all the stations will be constructed at the same time. Does that not imply the whole street will be shut down or what?
 
crs1026 said:
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Biggest issue is, it would be politically inconvenient since it would let one side of the city carp about the other side getting a better deal. The western side really isn't savvy of the timeline, so they aren't likely to get up in arms about having to wait like the east side. Better politics if it all opens together and we are one city, east to west.

In terms of rushing to make points for the election - don't kid yourself. Our politicians seem quite able to manufacture photo ops without anything substantive actually happening. Having a real ribbon cutting is not that critical to anyone's election campaign.

- Paul
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So one side of the city will get upset because the western portion opens first! Thats insane. The tunnelling started in the west so it makes sense constructions starts there. By western end, do you mean west of Yonge or west of Eglinton west subway?
 
Palma said:
So why not start at the first station in the west end now instead of waiting till tunnelling is completed? Plus I read on urban toronto that all the stations will be constructed at the same time. Does that not imply the whole street will be shut down or what?
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They're building in a way that they'll always have two lanes open, one in each direction.
 
Palma said:
So one side of the city will get upset because the western portion opens first! Thats insane. The tunnelling started in the west so it makes sense constructions starts there. By western end, do you mean west of Yonge or west of Eglinton west subway?
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Yes, it is insane. That hasn't stopped anyone from spending a decade debating what sort of transit to build in Scarboro. The current solution seems heavily influenced by demonstrating that Scarboro gets its fair share - whether it's all really needed or not.

By western end, I meant Mount Dennis to the Spadina line. It's not feasible to advance construction east of there until both sets of TBM's are extracted at Yonge St. The conveyor system to remove the excavated material will be in the way until that's all finished. I don't seem much point in asking people to get off the bus at the Spadina line and get back on it at Mount Dennis. And, as I said, even that requires some extravagant assumptions about changes in schedule for stuff.

- Paul
 
Palma said:
Why? If the Liberals have the money give it up front instead of spreading it out over a longer period of time. Joh Tory had it right
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Because construction scheduling doesn't work that way. Tory may have had it right, but it still cost extra money to complete the Gardner work in a faster timeframe. It didn't cost the same amount, just spent in a shorter timeframe (as far as I know).

Just because x work costs $5 billion to complete in 5 years does not mean that the same work will cost $5 billion dollars to complete in 2.5 years. At that point, you start running into overtime costs, loss of schedule flex (increases risk), conflicting trade coordination, and other issues that I'm probably not thinking of.
 
Palma said:
So why not start at the first station in the west end now instead of waiting till tunnelling is completed? Plus I read on urban toronto that all the stations will be constructed at the same time. Does that not imply the whole street will be shut down or what?
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1. They can build Mt.Dennis to Oakwood right away - you will probably see the start of construction of some of those station boxes this summer. They can't start Eglinton West to Laird until the tunnels are done because they are still sucking dirt through those tunnels and the station construction requires tearing down the tunnel between the headwalls.

2. I've been told they will not build two adjacent station boxes at major intersection the same time in order to maintain north-south traffic flows - so they will probably build Keele and Dufferin first and when those are largely complete they will start on Caledonia and Oakwood. If they wanted to speed things up getting rid of this restriction this would be one opportunity.

3. Since most stations are immediately under the major intersections they can only build one quarter of the station box at a time. Anything more than that and they would have to completely close either Eglinton or the cross street.
 
Well this is a whole new level of incompetence. I'd love to meet the person behind this screw up.

I mean, a note in the window or talking to one of the barbers in the shop to get the contact information of the property owner would have gotten the job done. It really isn't that difficult.
 
How many properties are they buying? And what for? I wish I could tell when developers were land assembling as well. I'm always curious what this are will look like in 20 years.
 
Much ado about nothing, really. All Metrolinx wants is to use a portion of the sidewalk in front of the business.
 
I thought I heard something about Eglinton being down to a single lane (total, not in each direction) yesterday due to some type of sinkhole (?). Was this related to the launching site?
 
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