bleu
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agree but for most passengers, the key difference is whether the train has to stop for traffic lights or not. It makes all the difference.
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agree but for most passengers, the key difference is whether the train has to stop for traffic lights or not. It makes all the difference.
TOareaFan
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Sure... If Metrolinx wants to impose a neighbourhood-specific tax in order to pay for it over the next 30 years, be my guest. I wonder if there would be a way to charge an extra fee to anyone to who taps on or off using these stations that were previously deleted? Haha. "Oh, you're one of the handful of people who actually use this station? Your trip just costed you an extra dollar". That would stop these 'neighbourhood fights' pretty quickly.
There is a common-sense solution here though: build it surface along the south side of Eglinton. That way the stop remains, but the line is still grade-separated. But I'm not going to push too much on this one, because even though south-side surface is the best option, the option they've gone with is a close 2nd, and is certainly miles ahead of the original design. Mustn't sacrifice the great for the perfect.
AlvinofDiaspar
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The surface option on the south side of Eglinton won't work given new TBM launch site at OSC parking lots.
AoD
The surface option on the south side of Eglinton won't work given new TBM launch site at OSC parking lots.
AoD
TOareaFan
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I guess what I don't understand (admittedly not following this all that closely) is why that stop would have the lowest ridership on the line? The immediate intersection is a bit sparse, yes, but would this not be a logical spot for the end of the TTC's Leslie (51?) bus? Is that not a fairly well used route? I would have thought that it would deliver decent ridership to this station (not suggesting it would be the "most" used station but I guess I am a bit surprised by the statement “It would be the lowest ridership and most expensive station on the line,” said Jamie Robinson of community relations and communications for the Toronto Transit Project at Metrolinx.).
Are there operational savings/efficiencies in having the 51 end at Eglinton and Leslie rather than continue along Eglinton (duplicating the route of the LRT) to the Eglinton station on the Yonge subway line? If so, are those enough to offset the cost/ridership figures?
ShonTron
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The 51 is not a very busy route, with minimal service levels (30 minutes, except rush hours) and no late evening service Sundays. The TTC's plan is to combine the 56 Leaside with the 51, which will connect to the LRT at Laird. The Leaside bus has only somewhat better headways weekdays, but limited evening service.
The 51 and 56 are the amongst the lowest ridership routes intersecting the Eglinton LRT corridor. (The others are 5 Avenue Road, 14 Chaplin, 33 Forest Hill, 74/103 Mt. Pleasant).
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TOareaFan
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Thanks.
But wasn't that a case of the launch site being changed in response to the burying of the Leslie section? It was my understanding that the launch site was dictated by the desired tunnel stretch, not the tunnel stretch being dictated by the launch site.
If the south side option is chosen, theoretically they can revert back to the original launch site, no?
nfitz
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How does that solve the problem with it not being a suitable place to build the TBM launch area, which is what re-opened the plan?
No. It was the unsuitability of the launch site that was the primary issue. And then they realised the cost wouldn't change significantly if they moved the launch site 1.5 km further east to near Don Mills, given the cheaper cost of the launch site, and the lack of structural work on the West Don crossing and the railway underpass, as long as they sacrificed Leslie station.
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I thought the plan was re-opened because Metrolinx wanted to eliminate a potential pinch point and have complete grade-separation between Mt. Dennis and Don Mills?
Ramako
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I've been finding it hard to find confirmed information on this line. Does anybody know what stations on the line are definitely confirmed and whether they'll be below ground or not?
nfitz
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No. Where did you hear that?
That's because it's a bit of a moving target.
http://www.thecrosstown.ca/ is the best source of information, but it's not all up to date. The current plan is that the western terminus will be Mt. Dennis (elevated), and then the next station will be Keele (underground), and it will remain underground through Caledonia, Dufferin, Oakwood, Eglinton West (Allen), Bathurst, Chaplin, Avenue, Eglinton (Yonge), Mount Pleasant, Bayview, Laird and Don Mills, and then go on the surface for stops at Ferrand, Wynford, Bermondsey, Victoria Park, Pharmacy, Lebovic, Warden, Birchmount, Ionview, and then head underground (west of Kennedy Road) to a final stop at Kennedy station.
There's still chatter about them trying to cancel Oakwood and Chaplin ... and they haven't really discussed anything east of Ferrand much laterly, so I wouldn't be surprised if Lebovic and Ionview were at risk.
There's design information online for some of the western stations at http://www.thecrosstown.ca/the-project/station-design - and Oakwood is conspicuously missing ...
TOareaFan
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TOareaFan
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EDIT....I posted that without looking at it and, now that I have, I realize it ain't that up to date as the Leslie station we are talking about is still shown on the route map.....strange.
It was mentioned on here somewhere. Oh well, my bad. Status quo it is then.