News   GLOBAL  |  Apr 02, 2020
A Message to Our Readers
 11K     0 
News   GLOBAL  |  Apr 01, 2020
EarthCam Time-Lapse Documents Rafael Viñoly-Designed New Stanford Hospital Construction
 43K     0 
News   GLOBAL  |  Apr 01, 2020
Resort Town
 6.8K     0 
Amare said:
Not sure who this guy is, but saw this video come up and watched it to see the public's thoughts about the line after almost 2 months of being open.

After watching it, i believe it's a pretty accurate description of the state of affairs with this line and I agree with 95% of what he mentioned.
Click to expand...

I think his title is pretty click-bait-y, because he doesn't even think it's a $10B disappointment in his video.

But yeah, I'd agree with all his positive and negative points.
 
smallspy said:
Correct. There is a whole host of changes to the service that were made on Sunday, but one of the big ones is that they have removed most of the low speed limits put in place by Crosslinx.

Because the end-to-end journey time has reduced, they've also removed a couple of trains from the schedule in the morning and afternoon rushes. To reduce headways further, they've added 2 or 3 trains to the midday hours - service should now come every 6 minutes or so.

Dan
Click to expand...
Awesome, and yeah my journey took 49 which is a record for me at least - and that is after catching almost every light in Scarborough and having a very cautious driver with long dwell times (maybe we were early?)…
 
smallspy said:
Correct. There is a whole host of changes to the service that were made on Sunday, but one of the big ones is that they have removed most of the low speed limits put in place by Crosslinx.

Because the end-to-end journey time has reduced, they've also removed a couple of trains from the schedule in the morning and afternoon rushes. To reduce headways further, they've added 2 or 3 trains to the midday hours - service should now come every 6 minutes or so.

Dan
Click to expand...
Seems like 80 km/h is now the max speed instead of 60km/h and station approach speed is now 45m/h instead of 30km/h as per this reddit post with video
https://www.reddit.com/r/TTC/comments/1seayjk/line_5_now_goes_full_speed_in_the_underground

In related news line 6 seems like it takes just under 40 minutes now end to end
as per this video

leaves Finch west at 22:52
arrives at Humber at 1:02:48
Travel time 39:56 Minutes

And leaves Humber: 1:58:44
Arrives at Finch West: 2:34:55
Travel time 36:11 Minutes

 
Last edited:
A 6264 said:
Ooh, I just remembered, since today is the first day of full service past 11 PM... There was supposed to be a delayed opening ceremony when that happens. They've still got those commemorative coins to distribute. Maybe they've forgotten? I guess Metrolinx will have to sell them on Ebay...
Click to expand...
Why does Saturday service end at 12:30am compared to Sunday at 1:20am?

Also are these the final operating hours or will they be changed again prior to full service (or this is now full service/opening?)
 
CP24: "The TTC says the line is closing earlier Saturdays because of an extended maintenance window requested by Metrolinx and Crosslinx"

That's a 7 hour extended maintenance window compared to 4 hours on other days. (Note the actual maintenance window may be shorter)

 
Last edited:
chrisw said:
CP24: "The TTC says the line is closing earlier Saturdays because of an extended maintenance window requested by Metrolinx and Crosslinx"

That's a 7 hour extended maintenance window compared to 4 hours on other days. (Note the actual maintenance window may be shorter)

Click to expand...
Wonderful logic, let's have service stop earlier on a Saturday night when people might be out and about rather than a Sunday night when most people are going to bed early because they have work tomorrow.
 
hawc said:
Agree. Insane. Such public sector thinking. Employees above customers.
Click to expand...
That's a pretty silly take, since it isn't the public sector behind it at all.

If it was, wouldn't the subway end service sooner on Saturdays as well? Hint: it doesn't......

Chalk it up to Crosslinx doing some more whining and complaining. They wanted larger maintenance windows. They came up with this, which hopefully is temporary.

Dan
 
smallspy said:
That's a pretty silly take, since it isn't the public sector behind it at all.

If it was, wouldn't the subway end service sooner on Saturdays as well? Hint: it doesn't......

Chalk it up to Crosslinx doing some more whining and complaining. They wanted larger maintenance windows. They came up with this, which hopefully is temporary.

Dan
Click to expand...
I think that as much flak as everyone gives Crosslinx, a larger maintenance window is something that they can be given allowance on.

Still, why not have that larger maintenance window happen on a Sunday night instead of Saturday? Lines up better with the Monday-Friday 9-5ers, and the workers performing maintenance are on a night shift anyway so I doubt it matters much whether they're doing it on a early Sunday morning or an early Monday morning.
 
smallspy said:
Chalk it up to Crosslinx doing some more whining and complaining. They wanted larger maintenance windows. They came up with this, which hopefully is temporary.
Click to expand...

I would however use this as an example of where the P3 model is failing us.
If TTC were the sole operator/maintainer, Maintenance would ask for the window and Marketing/Service Planningwould get their oar in about how many riders affected when etc. The data on costs etc for each option will be validated and transparent. Then somebody on high would make a decision and all concerned would have their marching orders.
With TTC not operating/maintaining, they can only ask and negotiate - and the cost can be escalated as the operator will ask for compensation which may go beyond true cost and involve an incentive/markup to seal the deal. The window timing may not be TTC’s first choice but they will face tradeoffs in what is offered at what price, based on data they may not be able to see.
TTC is definitely at a disadvantage in the negotiation and may have to accept a bad decision as “the best we could agree to”.
Not good for accountability or transparency.

- Paul
 
doublemint said:
Wonderful logic, let's have service stop earlier on a Saturday night when people might be out and about rather than a Sunday night when most people are going to bed early because they have work tomorrow.
Click to expand...
Service starts moving on Monday mornings very early though, so you don't get as long a window.

I don't see any need for the hand wringing over this ... let's see what the full opening schedule is.
 
I wanted to make note of last train times at certain line 5 stations, but the TTC's website is still showing old times, where the line closes after 11 PM. You would think they would have updated their site first thing Sunday morning. Or am I misunderstanding, and new times have not started yet?
https://www.ttc.ca/routes-and-schedules/5/0
 
You must log in or register to post here.

Back
Top