[81-717]

That's a terrible camcorder for 2011, geez.

Yeah, it gives off more 1980s/1990s vibes or so. idk if it's supposed to be some nostalgia thing for 2011 or something. That video has no description, and doesn't specify what camera was used. I remember when TYSSE opened, I still had an S2 phone, and the videos I took back then were also similarly low quality (because I had it set to 480p without realizing it could be changed to 1080). Most of those videos I've since taken down anyway.

 

[smallspy]

I thought I heard from TTC staff that there is GIDS at Humber College and Finch West.

There is.

Dan

 

[asey20]

If the Flexity Freedom vehicles are no longer available for production, could the line be supplemented by introducing coupled Alstom Citadis units as additional vehicles?

In that scenario, it seems likely that extra bollards would need to be installed at the mid-section where the Citadis cars are coupled. At the same time, would the existing bollards—currently positioned to align with the Flexity Freedom door layout—conflict with the door spacing or boarding areas of a coupled Citadis configuration? Conversely, could any new bollards required for the Citadis interfere with the door placement on the Flexity Freedom vehicles?

 

[zang]

Yeah, it gives off more 1980s/1990s vibes or so.

idk if it's supposed to be some nostalgia thing for 2011 or something. That video has no description, and doesn't specify what camera was used.

I’m gonna guess either something really, really cheap (my wife’s Xacti from that same time does better), or it’s been run through a filter for the clicks.

 

[Bojaxs]

If the Flexity Freedom vehicles are no longer available for production, could the line be supplemented by introducing coupled Alstom Citadis units as additional vehicles?

In that scenario, it seems likely that extra bollards would need to be installed at the mid-section where the Citadis cars are coupled. At the same time, would the existing bollards—currently positioned to align with the Flexity Freedom door layout—conflict with the door spacing or boarding areas of a coupled Citadis configuration? Conversely, could any new bollards required for the Citadis interfere with the door placement on the Flexity Freedom vehicles?

I've been told that Line 5 & 6 use different voltage. So I would think that it's not possible for Alstom Citadis units to run on Line 5?

 

[asey20]

I've been told that Line 5 & 6 use different voltage. So I would think that it's not possible for Alstom Citadis units to run on Line 5?

I thought line 6 was also using 750 V. Is this not correct?

 

[ARG1]

I've been told that Line 5 & 6 use different voltage. So I would think that it's not possible for Alstom Citadis units to run on Line 5?

Pretty sure they both use 750V. The big difference is signalling, the Citadis Spirits on Line 6 are not equipped with the ability to interact with Line 5's CBTC and would have to be retrofitted.

 

[asey20]

Pretty sure they both use 750V. The big difference is signalling, the Citadis Spirits on Line 6 are not equipped with the ability to interact with Line 5's CBTC and would have to be retrofitted.

Yeah, that makes sense. Sorry for the confusion. I was suggesting the idea of a Citadis Spirit or Citadis Spirit like vehicle that would be built with the same signaling system as used on line 5 if Alstom is no longer willing or able to build the Flexity Freedom for the TTC. I wasn't suggesting that vehicles from line 6 would be moved to line 5 to supplement the line.

 

[robmausser]

I've been told that Line 5 & 6 use different voltage. So I would think that it's not possible for Alstom Citadis units to run on Line 5?

Not only do both Line 5 and 6 use the same voltage (750v) but the Citadis trains in Ottawa run on 1500v, and they are compatible with different voltages.

Its also partly why they are slow on Line 6, undervolted compared to O-Train.

Btw if anyone is curious, two Citadis vehicles paired into one train, like they have in Ottawa, is just a tiny bit too large for the platforms at Eglinton (which were designed for 3 train Flexities) but I believe it will still work as the doors are more inward and still all fit on the platform.

 

[nfitz]

Yeah, that makes sense. Sorry for the confusion. I was suggesting the idea of a Citadis Spirit or Citadis Spirit like vehicle that would be built with the same signaling system as used on line 5 if Alstom is no longer willing or able to build the Flexity Freedom for the TTC. I wasn't suggesting that vehicles from line 6 would be moved to line 5 to supplement the line.

Seems it would be simpler for Metrolinx to simply spec a vehicle that Flexity could meet, but Citadis couldn't without a huge redesign. Nothing precludes Alstom from making more if it's the only way they can win the work.

 

[Steve X]

Not only do both Line 5 and 6 use the same voltage (750v) but the Citadis trains in Ottawa run on 1500v, and they are compatible with different voltages.

Its also partly why they are slow on Line 6, undervolted compared to O-Train.

Btw if anyone is curious, two Citadis vehicles paired into one train, like they have in Ottawa, is just a tiny bit too large for the platforms at Eglinton (which were designed for 3 train Flexities) but I believe it will still work as the doors are more inward and still all fit on the platform.

Motor run on current not voltage. Higher voltage just allows current to flow easier. If supply is sufficient, there is no reason why they lack power. Based on what you said, the subway trains would be significantly under powered as they also run on 600 V DC.

 

[81-717]

I’m gonna guess either something really, really cheap (my wife’s Xacti from that same time does better), or it’s been run through a filter for the clicks.

Perhaps, though it honestly seems pointless to deliberately downgrade the quality of a video just to make it seem like it's from that era (especially when it's obviously not), downgrading the quality of the video is only subtracting from its value, not adding to it. If anything, it would be far more interesting to watch real footage from the 1980s upscaled to HD/4K.

Pretty sure they both use 750V. The big difference is signalling, the Citadis Spirits on Line 6 are not equipped with the ability to interact with Line 5's CBTC and would have to be retrofitted.

And they are on the fence about making the same mistake with L2 CTBC being potentially incompatible with L1, despite there being far more legitimate necessity to make them compatible since they're part of a single network and will also share some of the new trains.

On another note, L5 & L6 have both been moved from being grouped together with bus routes to being grouped with the subway lines on transsee.

 

[asey20]

Seems it would be simpler for Metrolinx to simply spec a vehicle that Flexity could meet, but Citadis couldn't without a huge redesign. Nothing precludes Alstom from making more if it's the only way they can win the work.

Logically, it would make the most sense for any additional vehicles to also be Flexity units. However, I raised the question because I’ve come across several discussions suggesting that Alstom may not be interested in taking on further Flexity orders. I’m not sure how credible those claims are, but it made me curious about what alternatives might be available if that were the case.

I’m also wondering how Line 5 would operate with full-length trainsets if there were a mix of three-car and two-car configurations, regardless of what additional vehicles might end up being procured, and whether the additional platform safety bollards required for two-car trains would interfere with the doors of three-car trains and vice versa. Although it might be a pointless exercise without knowing which vehicles to expect, besides the flexity freedom, for future procurement and what the options for door placement in these vehicles would be.

 

[T3G]

Perhaps, though it honestly seems pointless to deliberately downgrade the quality of a video just to make it seem like it's from that era (especially when it's obviously not), downgrading the quality of the video is only subtracting from its value, not adding to it. If anything, it would be far more interesting to watch real footage from the 1980s upscaled to HD/4K.

There is an entire online industry dedicated to making current era media appear as though it's from the past. Vinyl records and analog cameras are all the rage at the moment.

This is going a bit far for me, but it's not as though there weren't thousands of other people who got videos taken in high quality, so it's not like there's a big historical loss on going here.

 

[Obsidian]

Based on this report, it looks like the with TSP the trains will still be stopped by red lights.

"However, the city has not indicated any plans to implement red light truncation as part of TSP changes."

How will Traffic Signal Priority for LRTs impact your drive?

With LRT vehicles set to get priority at intersections along both Finch and Eglinton, will drivers be left in the dust as trains speed by?

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