[6ixGod]

as I just posted above, even if all the above you claim is true, that 31 minute difference in scheduled travel time is clearly going to make the LRT the better option to get across the city on Eglinton.

I'll let the people riding it make that decision.

This same nonsense was spouted over at the Finch West topic too for weeks before the opening and within 48 hours we knew what a failure that was. We had joggers.beating the trams from end to end.

I'll let the opening speak for itself.

 

[mr_content]

It is routinely faster to walk than take the 32 eastbound between Oakwood and Chaplin (and sometimes all the way to Yonge - example given because this is something I've specifically done a lot lol) and the same is true for a number of other stretches that are in the underground section. Those time savings figures you're seeing are at least mostly legit - the problem is that they're all from the underground section.

This line would have to be more of a disaster than even its harshest critics could have predicted for it to not offer at least some time savings vs. surface transit west of Laird. As in, bad enough to make Finch look like a masterclass in transit. I'm pretty down on this line overall, particularly east of Vic Park, but I expect it'll save enough people enough time that when people are underwhelmed by it, "slower than the bus" (even if it's true in the surface sections) won't be one of the main talking points.

 

[Chaplinurbex]

It is routinely faster to walk than take the 32 eastbound between Oakwood and Chaplin (and sometimes all the way to Yonge - example given because this is something I've specifically done a lot lol) and the same is true for a number of other stretches that are in the underground section. Those time savings figures you're seeing are at least mostly legit - the problem is that they're all from the underground section.

This line would have to be more of a disaster than even its harshest critics could have predicted for it to not offer at least some time savings vs. surface transit west of Laird. As in, bad enough to make Finch look like a masterclass in transit. I'm pretty down on this line overall, particularly east of Vic Park, but I expect it'll save enough people enough time that when people are underwhelmed by it, "slower than the bus" (even if it's true in the surface sections) won't be one of the main talking points.

I've started walking from Chaplin to Yonge recently when the weather has been nice because I can keep pace with the bus very easily.

 

[Thaboss]

I'll let the people riding it make that decision.

This same nonsense was spouted over at the Finch West topic too for weeks before the opening and within 48 hours we knew what a failure that was. We had joggers.beating the trams from end to end.

I'll let the opening speak for itself.

Not at all.

We knew the min that ttc posted times how slow finch would be...

The opening day just proved that ttc schdule was accurate

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Why is there a 21 minute gap leaving Kennedy for the first train?!

The light rail trains are stored at Mount Dennis Maintenance and Storage Facility in the west end. Unlike legacy streetcar network with 3 (soon to be 4) streetcar yards, there is currently only one place to store them overnight. Currently.

The city is trying to build the Eglinton East LRT from Kennedy Station to Morningside/Sheppard. Will there be a light rail track connection between the Eglinton LRT Line 5 and the Egltinton East LRT, since the two will likely be separate light rail lines? Nothing written down in stone, yet. So, it will be decades before there would be a light rail storage facility in the east end.

Now the bad news. The "preferred" maintenance and storage facility location is near the Toronto Zoo.

From https://www.toronto.ca/services-payments/streets-parking-transportation/transit-in-toronto/transit-expansion/eglinton-east-light-rail-transit/eglinton-east-lrt-project-map/

(Think taking the GO train from Kennedy GO, Eglington GO, or Guildwood GO would be faster to get downtown.)

 

[DSCToronto]

Not at all.

We knew the min that ttc posted times how slow finch would be...

The opening day just proved that ttc schdule was accurate

TTC and schedules is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Were the TTC schedules accurate because TTC management instruct the operators to adhere to them or because that was as fast as the Operators could drive? I suspect it was the former.

 

[smallspy]

Why is there a 21 minute gap leaving Kennedy for the first train?!

This is common for the build-up of services on the subway and bus, especially if the origin of the line is some distance away from the yard.

Part of it is that ridership is usually so low that early that they can get away with a reduced headway. They will then insert additional service trains into that gap to fill in for full service.

Part of it is that it limits how many trains have to deadhead for service. In some cases, they will insert trains half-way along the line, although it seems that they are not doing that here.

Dan

 

[EllaW]

I just checked the various trips I take along and near Eglinton on a regular basis on google maps and it still never shows the Line 5 as being the fastest route except for one of the longest trips (and well into the tunneled part). Despite living very near this line and having shopping, daycare, family, and medical appts along this line, there’s still going to be no real reason for me to use it except for being more comfortable. I really hope they can do something to speed it up — this is such a disappointment.

 

[reinventingthewheel]

Regarding the premier’s denial of a public inquiry, couldn’t that hypothetically be overridden by attorney general/gov general?

Or even the feds? Doug loves meddling with his municipal underlings, should give him a taste of his own medicine!

 

[Thaboss]

TTC and schedules is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Were the TTC schedules accurate because TTC management instruct the operators to adhere to them or because that was as fast as the Operators could drive? I suspect it was the former.

I agree. But the point is that the schedule did accurately fortell the speed of finch west.

The person I was responding to doesnt believe that posted schedules for egl are accurate..although middling i suppose they are faster than he expects

 

[Thaboss]

Regarding the premier’s denial of a public inquiry, couldn’t that hypothetically be overridden by attorney general/gov general?

Or even the feds? Doug loves meddling with his municipal underlings, should give him a taste of his own medicine!

Zero and I do mean zero chance the feds wanna touch this with a ten foot pole.

I know you were being hypothetical but in this case there is no point.

 

[McGillicuddy]

Regarding the premier’s denial of a public inquiry, couldn’t that hypothetically be overridden by attorney general/gov general?

Or even the feds? Doug loves meddling with his municipal underlings, should give him a taste of his own medicine!

Any level of government is welcome to launch an investigation into anything they like.

But an investigation is pointless unless the people conducting it have access to the personnel and information they intend to investigate.

 

[youngblood]

I just checked the various regular trips I take along and near Eglinton on a regular basis on google maps and it still never shows the Line 5 as being the fastest route except for one of the longest trips (and well into the tunneled part). Despite living very near this line and having shopping, daycare, family, and medical appts along this line, there’s still going to be no real reason for me to use it except for being more comfortable I really hope they can do something to speed it up — this is such a disappointment.

like 3 mins of savings for my trip. Hope it gets better in time.

 

[crs1026]

It would be an interesting exercise to amass all the pr releases, sound bites, media scrums, social media inputs, and documents released by ML and the government since the start of Crosstown, and take that before the courts - to argue that the Province and ML in particular have failed to meet their fiduciary duty to the taxpayer by failing to provide an accurate picture of the progress of the project (the point being that the provable progress objectively deviates from the narratives provided) and the sum of all that superficial spin doctoring does not fulfil what government is obliged to provide publicly to account for a project that runs into the billions of dollars.

I am not a lawyer, but I suspect that such an argument would fail. But - one could hope for a landmark and precedent setting ruling. There are lots of these, indeed many of the pillars of our concept of "good government" have originated in court rulings around matters such as environmental assessments, freedom of information, and public consultation generally. In those areas, laws were only passed in reaction to precedent setting rulings.

Unfortunately, I am not a lawyer and don't have the time or the millions of dollars that it would take to accomplish this.

It's certainly unfortunate that our opposing political parties don't have the competence to articulate more of this in a way that would be compelling to the "average citizen".... the real root cause here is that while people complain, they basically tolerate this behaviour from their elected officials, and don't weigh this kind of failure into their vote-casting decision. The opposition parties are complicit because they intend to do the same thing if they were elected - the status quo is their friend.

It sucks that transit specifically, and infrastructure generally, is executed in a way that clearly fails the test of "good government", but I don't see a way to force the issue.

But hey, if you are a lawyer willing to work pro bono on this, I'd love to have coffee. Public transit is not a matter of national defense and should not have more secrecy than the plans for nuclear weaponry. Especially, when Metrolinx is not performing.

- Paul

 

[PL1]

I'll let the opening speak for itself.

Waiting for you to do so