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ARG1 said:
Well tram/metro abominations should also be a big no-no yet here we are.

Nobody wants this solution, but if we have to in order to have some semblance of operational stability and consistent headways in the tunnel, it might be an option worth exploring.
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The funny thing is in Europe, premetros, stadtbahns, and trams that look like Line 5's abomination definitely exist. They're just usually not operated in areas as dense, nor are their operations going to be hampered by peabrains in the TTC et al...

Cue the people saying Line 5 Eglinton d-definitely has the capacity to support future demand until 20XX!!1!

Ironically, I am willing to concede that those people might be more right than wrong, not for the reasons they stated, but because Line 5's eastern section is gearing up to a sh**show tram like Line 6 to the point where it drives down ridership.

Line 6 top comment: "I was driving during rush hour and all the shuttle buses were packed while the trams were hardly full. By evening it looked like a majority of commuters intentionally chose the jam packed shuttle buses because it was much faster"

Line 6 Finch West is typically 15 to 30 minutes slower than the bus at the same time of day.
 
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youngblood said:
Or the slow travel times on finch will put so much pressure on the city to turn on ATC(?) such that eglinton will be born with it from day 1 of operations

A man can only dream
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its happening ladies and gentlemen!!!

what i meant by ATC was TSP, apologies for the misunderstanding
 
urbanclient said:
The funny thing is in Europe, premetros, stadtbahns, and trams that look like Line 5's abomination definitely exist. They're just usually not operated in areas as dense, nor are their operations going to be hampered by peabrains in the TTC et al...
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Not quite. What makes a stadtbahn a statbahn is that the tunnels carry many different lines as a sort of feeder hub. Karlruhe is a prime example where the tunnel carries many different lines that feed out into many directions. This is what tram tunnels in Europe look like, they're either stadtbahns that carry multiple lines - or if not they're quite short with a few stations under very busy neighbourhoods. Europe generally doesn't build 11km long subway segments just to serve 1 tram line.
 
Midtown Urbanist said:
Yes I am not sure if people are familiar with the situation at Eglinton and Don Mills, but you could be sitting in traffic waiting to turn for 15 minutes at any time of the day.

Throwing an LRT into the mix is pouring gasoline on a fire. An elevated solution may have been most optimal, but that is another word that Toronto dares not speak.
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I thought the LRT goes underground at Eglinton and Don Mills.
 
ARG1 said:
Not quite. What makes a stadtbahn a statbahn is that the tunnels carry many different lines as a sort of feeder hub. Karlruhe is a prime example where the tunnel carries many different lines that feed out into many directions. This is what tram tunnels in Europe look like, they're either stadtbahns that carry multiple lines - or if not they're quite short with a few stations under very busy neighbourhoods. Europe generally doesn't build 11km long subway segments just to serve 1 tram line.
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Don't give them any ideas, we'll be seeing construction start on streetcars...I mean LRT..... up Vic Park, Weston and Bathurst should the erudite planning intelligentsia of the GTA catch up to the planning norms of the Germany in the 70's.
 
Kelson said:
What you discribed( in terms of transferring) seems acceptable. You mean Don valley station, not Don mills station correct?
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The station at Don Mills, yes. Formerly known as Science Centre.

For the record, I don't think that it's a particularly well-designed transfer - at least for anyone transferring from the Crosstown to the Ontario Line. The vertical aspect is not ideal (and is worse in that sense than the connection at Kennedy that many complained about), and when coupled to the horizontal distance also required, just aggravates a bad situation.

Dan
 
smallspy said:
The station at Don Mills, yes. Formerly known as Science Centre.

For the record, I don't think that it's a particularly well-designed transfer - at least for anyone transferring from the Crosstown to the Ontario Line. The vertical aspect is not ideal (and is worse in that sense than the connection at Kennedy that many complained about), and when coupled to the horizontal distance also required, just aggravates a bad situation.

Dan
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I think what needs to be said here is that the current Don Valley Station alignment for the Crosstown is a hold over from the Transit City days as putting the station underground was done to increase the lines speed through the intersection. Here it would have also had an interchange with the Don Mills LRT which was to be at the road level with a centre platform and possibly a direct connection from the platform to stations mezzanine.

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JSF-1 said:
I think what needs to be said here is that the current Don Valley Station alignment for the Crosstown is a hold over from the Transit City days as putting the station underground was done to increase the lines speed through the intersection. Here it would have also had an interchange with the Don Mills LRT which was to be at the road level with a centre platform and possibly a direct connection from the platform to stations mezzanine.

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Huh, I was under the impression that the change happened later after the DRL started being planned and they assumed an interchange with the subway. Good to know.

That being said it's a massive shame that the Storage Track was scoped out. Would've been really useful to short turn trains.
 
youngblood said:
globalnews.ca

TTC and Metrolinx battle over Eglinton Crosstown LRT date at tense private meeting | Globalnews.ca

Multiple sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed that there was a plan by Metrolinx and the Ministry of Transportation to open the line in the last week of December.
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Looking like Feb 8th
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"Ottawa LRT" has become the code word for infinite & indefinite delays to this line. I guess the fear is that "Eglinton Crosstown" doesn't become the same. (hint, it's too late guys)
 
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