Aplus23
Active Member
forgive my ignorance, but how do you build tall buildings on lake infill sites, I thought the fittings had to hit bedrock
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Northern Light
Superstar
No worries. You learn by asking!
1) You don't have to build to bedrock strictly speaking, but for a tall building, most do. You do require a stable soil base.
2) Depth to bedrock varies across the City, but averages a bit over 30M below grade (something in the range of 10-12 storeys deep.
3) Bedrock is shallower near the Lake. (So closer to the surface).
4) The average depth of Lakefill isn't all that deep, in the range of 10-12M. Bedrock is generally located very close to the depth of the fill.
So in many cases even w/the fill, you have less than average depth to bedrock in the Lakefill areas.
junctionist
Senior Member
With all the discussion about Queens Quay's freight trains, I can't believe that no one used the railway term for it, "street running". Any place where it still happens today is like a mecca for railfans.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Is there any freight street running in Canada?
A 6264
Active Member
Consider this: As already stated (and can be verified at Wikipedia), the road was built on or after 1919. It's extremely unlikely they would have named it after Queen Victoria 2 decades after her death. If it had been named for the monarch of the time, it would have been called King's Quay. It must have been named for Elizabeth II in the 1950s or later.
Many streets in Toronto changed their name in the 20th century. Usually the old name is no longer referenced, to avoid confusion. You can find old names on old maps, but it's rare to see them elsewhere, unless there's an interesting story behind the change.
A 6264
Active Member
When I was a kid in Toronto, trains ran on the streets all the time in a nearby factory area. When our family drove out to do grocery shopping, we often had to wait for street trains to pass. I live in a different neighbourhood now, but there is a warehouse area nearby, and old tracks can be seen everywhere. In the 25 years I've lived here, most of the tracks have been removed, along with train crossing signs and other old markers. I found it interesting enough to take photos of tracks when I first moved here, and used Google Maps to map out where all the rails went, so I have something to compare to the present. Trains on streets can be dangerous and noisy - as a kid, I'd hear them all night - and few active lines remain, if any.
Here is a map I made, and just a couple of photos as an example. On the map, red lines are active right of way rail lines, green lines are inactive street rails, numbers show places where I took photos. The 2 photos shown are at location points 5 and 9. This is southwest of Eglinton and Don Mills.
Northern Light
Superstar
Good effort; some of the tracks went much further west, almost to Laird. Map:
Source:: https://leasidelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/LesideMap-768x768.jpg
officedweller
Senior Member
Not necessarily.
The Queen Elizabeth Way highway was named after Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother when she was Queen Consort to King George VI.
So there's Queen Alexandra, Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth before Queen Elizabeth II.
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T3G
Senior Member
Again, I know street name changes were fairly common, and I'm not expecting the name to be found on street signs. But if the road had originally been called Lakeshore, why would it not be mentioned on Wikipedia, for instance? The names of the streets that make up today's Dundas are not exactly difficult to find.
The best bet for producing a primary source that confirms the original name would be to investigate old maps through the TPL's digital archive, but it seems to be throwing back a 403 error. The city of Toronto only has one post 1919 fire insurance map, where neither a Lakeshore nor a Queens Quay exists, there seems to be some kind of access road called Lake Street that went as far as John Street. I have several old transit maps which were created in the 1970s by historian John Bromley, which otherwise make reference to former street names where appropriate, that refer to the street as Queens Quay going as far back as 1936, which I consider reliable as a secondary source.
Aha, here we go. Two maps, from the World War I era, by the Toronto Harbour Commissioners, showing the proposed development of the waterfront, with Queens Quay being the name of the street. As a primary source, I don't think you can get much better than this.
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Metroscapes
Active Member
"Hey let's check on the thread for the Crosstown and see if there's any news...
...tall buildings, street-running freight...something about Queens Quay's name...
Nope, no substantial news."
...tall buildings, street-running freight...something about Queens Quay's name...
Nope, no substantial news."
zang
Senior Member
It was probably a colloquial name that was made permanent for new road later on.
Torontonians are not adverse to preferring colloquials; see "The Flatiron" (The Gooderham Building) or "Graffiti Alley" (Rush Lane). Both can be found as such on Apple & Google Maps, despite not being official names.
A 6264
Active Member
Again, I know street name changes were fairly common, and I'm not expecting the name to be found on street signs. But if the road had originally been called Lakeshore, why would it not be mentioned on Wikipedia, for instance? The names of the streets that make up today's Dundas are not exactly difficult to find.
The best bet for producing a primary source that confirms the original name would be to investigate old maps through the TPL's digital archive, but it seems to be throwing back a 403 error. The city of Toronto only has one post 1919 fire insurance map, where neither a Lakeshore nor a Queens Quay exists, there seems to be some kind of access road called Lake Street that went as far as John Street. I have several old transit maps which were created in the 1970s by historian John Bromley, which otherwise make reference to former street names where appropriate, that refer to the street as Queens Quay going as far back as 1936, which I consider reliable as a secondary source.
Aha, here we go. Two maps, from the World War I era, by the Toronto Harbour Commissioners, showing the proposed development of the waterfront, with Queens Quay being the name of the street. As a primary source, I don't think you can get much better than this.
Okay, I give up!
Allandale25
Superstar
LORINC: We built it, but now will we ride it? - Spacing Toronto
As befits a fall when the Blue Jays have again become contenders, the $10 billion-plus question hanging over the soon-to-be-opened Crosstown LRT is whether it will attract riders. We built it, but will they come? It’s been a very long time since a major trunk rapid transit line opened in Toronto...
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txlseries4
Active Member
On the weekend I was in a car with friends coming back into the city, and while on Eglinton near Allen Road I made a comment about the unused "new" LRT stations, and people in the car -- new within the last year to Toronto -- weren't even sure what kind of transit it is, if it's above or below ground, or what the route is. I told them it's possible it will open in a couple months and they were excited, but shocked when I told them it was supposed to open years ago.
Anyway, I enjoy and think it benefits us to be reminded of the vast levels of understanding from regular people in the city about what's going on.
Anyway, I enjoy and think it benefits us to be reminded of the vast levels of understanding from regular people in the city about what's going on.
stevensontransit
Active Member
Here’s the crosstown LRT testing progress at mount Dennis station is like as of today. Photo taken by me.