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TOtramz said:
I thought the issue with running both Citadis and Flexity on line 5 was that the Citadis is significantly longer than Flexity, meaning that 3-cars of Flexity fully utilizes the platform while 2 cars of Citadis would not.

Thoughts?
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I don't think anything that is longer than 30m can fit in the maintenance bay. TTC has a bay where they remove the bogie from the car. The bogies have to be in the exact same location for both fleets to be easily maintain at the same location.

This however doesn't prevent 30m Citiadis built specially to fit this line oppose to having the 48m on Finch. The can definitely install Line 5 compatible equipment instead. Think out the box. No one said they have to buy the exact trains as Line 6.

If the line will still operate with 2 car consists by Eg West's opening, they probably don't need more than 90 LRVs. If they operate with a Mt Dennis to Laird short turn with 3 minutes headway while the outer ends operate at 6 min, the current 76 would be enough. If they operate with 3 car consist with a 3 min headway on the entire line, they would need close to 130 LRVs.
 
jordanmkasla2009 said:
Signalling systems are drop-in parts. It's the integration with the train control software that's the key sticking point. It's like having to install the drivers and software for the brand new fancy all-in-one printer before your computer can know how to print, scan, fax, etc. with it. You can put whatever signalling system you want into the trains, but if the train control software doesn't know how to communicate with and interpret its inputs and outputs and what to do with it, it's not going to work.
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All true. I didn't mean the Citadis couldn't be made compatible, I meant that the current ones for Metrolinx are spec'd for Line 6 and 10, and I thought I read here on this forum they are using a different system.

Assuming that's true, it would be quite a bit of work to shift any of the current Citadii to Line 5, and it would be way easier for Metrolinx to keep ordering Flexities for Line 5 fleet expansion, as they already have the software written, making it unlikely we'll see Citadii on Eglinton unless Alstom decides to kill off the model
 
Steve X said:
I don't think anything that is longer than 30m can fit in the maintenance bay. TTC has a bay where they remove the bogie from the car. The bogies have to be in the exact same location for both fleets to be easily maintain at the same location.

This however doesn't prevent 30m Citiadis built specially to fit this line oppose to having the 48m on Finch. The can definitely install Line 5 compatible equipment instead. Think out the box. No one said they have to buy the exact trains as Line 6.

If the line will still operate with 2 car consists by Eg West's opening, they probably don't need more than 90 LRVs. If they operate with a Mt Dennis to Laird short turn with 3 minutes headway while the outer ends operate at 6 min, the current 76 would be enough. If they operate with 3 car consist with a 3 min headway on the entire line, they would need close to 130 LRVs.
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you're assuming that no LRV will get totalled by oncoming cars on the surface section.......

I think this is not really a big issue unless Alstom decides to stop making Flexities.
 
TOtramz said:
you're assuming that no LRV will get totalled by oncoming cars on the surface section.......
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Has there ever been a tram, anywhere, in the history of the entire world, that has been totalled by a car? It's almost universally the car that ends up being a write off. They'll bang out the dents and the tram will be back in service in a few days.

A truck, sure. But those collisions are much rarer.
 
T3G said:
Has there ever been a tram, anywhere, in the history of the entire world, that has been totalled by a car? It's almost universally the car that ends up being a write off. They'll bang out the dents and the tram will be back in service in a few days.

A truck, sure. But those collisions are much rarer.
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An early start to the trend....yes, it's a truck, but....

- Paul

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T3G said:
Has there ever been a tram, anywhere, in the history of the entire world, that has been totalled by a car? It's almost universally the car that ends up being a write off. They'll bang out the dents and the tram will be back in service in a few days.

A truck, sure. But those collisions are much rarer.
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I think there was an incident near Main Street Station a decade or so ago where this happened mind you it was a bus not a car. If I recall, the streetcar was removed from service since it was almost retired anyway.

See here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...-collision-with-streetcar-injures-4-1.2885405
 
I forgot that Metrolinx will run and operate the Crosstown.

For some reason I always thought they were handing it over to the TTC and that was what some of the delay was all about.

But this will be more like a GO Train situation where Presto works across everything, but it is Metrolinx not TTC that operates the Crosstown?

Howcome the new trams have TTC logo on them then?
 
hawc said:
I forgot that Metrolinx will run and operate the Crosstown.

For some reason I always thought they were handing it over to the TTC and that was what some of the delay was all about.

But this will be more like a GO Train situation where Presto works across everything, but it is Metrolinx not TTC that operates the Crosstown?

Howcome the new trams have TTC logo on them then?
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TTC will operate the line. Metrolinx is responsible for maintenance, and owns the vehicles.
 
Huh. Reddit had it all wrong. Not surprising. They said Metolinx would own and operate it.

So we'll see uniformed TTC operators sitting in the drivers seat.
 
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