Bordercollie
Senior Member
You would need to train and allow access to 3x the number of people. It would be a logistical nightmare.
The carrier that has access can lease their spectrum to the other ones to recoup the cost.
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The carrier that has access can lease their spectrum to the other ones to recoup the cost.
Steve X
Senior Member
They probably demanded to have access to track level at anytime to repair an upgrade their stuff. When things break, they'll be pointing fingers.
Canadian businesses aren't nice, they sue each other's ass off when stuff like that happens. Plus they could try to break the competitors stuff to gain an upper hand. Bell installed their fiber network in my neighbourhood and caused multiple Rogers outages cause they didn't care about their cables when they were drilling. The Rogers technicians says they did it on purpose so you get frustrated and switch to Bell. So did they do it on purpose? Hmmm... either way the other network isn't working.
Have they even settle all the disagreement on construction related issues with the TYSSE?
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smallspy
Senior Member
This is exactly why the TTC wanted to limit it to one organization, who would then sell services to the others.
Dan
innsertnamehere
Superstar
I feel like the cell service in the subway issue has been dormant for years. Freedom has been the sole provider for damn near a decade now it feels like - when is the TTC going to admit their single provider strategy failed? They are achieving nothing by continuing to have the vast majority of riders not have cell service. It's ridiculous.
smallspy
Senior Member
How has it been a failure to the TTC? They're making their money on the program, and its cost them nothing.....
Dan
innsertnamehere
Superstar
because it failed to deliver it's intended purpose - providing increased convenience to their customers? The additional revenue was a bonus, not a purpose.
Just because the TTC is getting the cheque each month for it doesn't make me able to use my phone on the subway..
I mean how many subway networks still don't have cell service at this point?
Voltz
Senior Member
It would not have made sense for the TTC to allow multiple different providers to come in and install their own different equipment in the stations and tunnels.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
that's what most other subway networks do from my understanding.
smallspy
Senior Member
I guess that depends on your viewpoint. Some proportion of the TTC ridership is able to use their cell phones without issue in the subway. They certainly aren't complaining.
And if you think that the sole intended purpose of the system was "increased convenience", then you are sadly mistaken I fear. You think that advertising on the system is done to make people feel good?
Dan
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Freedom mobile has a 6% market share. So 94% of riders can't use cell service... congrats?
If that's mission accomplished.. man..
Yea, TTC getting revenue from it is good, as I said. It's not the core purpose, the core purpose is making the subway ride more attractive by providing cell signal access.
Providing the TTC a bit of revenue and 6% of riders cell signal is hardly an excellent result.. If that's "acceptable" I don't want to know what is unacceptable..
If that's mission accomplished.. man..
Yea, TTC getting revenue from it is good, as I said. It's not the core purpose, the core purpose is making the subway ride more attractive by providing cell signal access.
Providing the TTC a bit of revenue and 6% of riders cell signal is hardly an excellent result.. If that's "acceptable" I don't want to know what is unacceptable..
crs1026
Superstar
(Boomer considers observing that he rode the subway system for a long time back before cellphones were invented, and wonders why this is such a hot button issue…. and thinks, nah, I’m in no mood to get roasted by a younger crowd….)
With so much improvement needed in the quality of TTC service, spending even a single person-hour on cell infrastructure when it could be spent on operations is a misplacement of priorities.
- Paul
With so much improvement needed in the quality of TTC service, spending even a single person-hour on cell infrastructure when it could be spent on operations is a misplacement of priorities.
- Paul
trtcttc
Senior Member
I mean, the same 3/4 carriers operate in Vancouver (I know one may say underground portion of Canada Line was built much later than TTC), and Montreal just completed their rollout a year ago, with all of the big 3 + Videotron with service at stations and tunnels. The install also didn’t require any partial or full closure of any station or line. I don’t see how the reasons you gave is unique to Toronto, and I don’t see Montreal Metro having delays everyday because these companies want to go down and fix their lines.
trtcttc
Senior Member
Companies don’t work with a pool of general workers then assign them to whatever task is at hand. There’s probably a team within the TTC that manages the mobile/network infrastructure, and even if they are not working on cell infrastructure, they’re probably not working on operations either.
And if proper functioning cell service causes some people to use the subway when they would’ve taken rideshare, then there is a direct revenue impact. It obviously is important to riders when Go/TTC/every other transit service on the planet is introducing Wifi/cell service.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
It's obviously important enough that GO transit wifi was a key campaign promise for the PCs in 2018.
And my original statement was more about how it's received basically no attention at either the TTC or the media since the current system was implemented, what, 6 years ago?
We also know that the proponent of the current infrastructure was banking on getting more than just Freedom Mobile signed on, which tells me they won't be renewing once their contract is up as I doubt they are making much right now.. Then what?
And my original statement was more about how it's received basically no attention at either the TTC or the media since the current system was implemented, what, 6 years ago?
We also know that the proponent of the current infrastructure was banking on getting more than just Freedom Mobile signed on, which tells me they won't be renewing once their contract is up as I doubt they are making much right now.. Then what?
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Not a boomer (GenXer) and while I would love data on the subway, voice calls should be forever banned on the subway system. As to why TTC still didn't get it - maybe they tried to milk the Telco's for more money and they didn't game?
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