[Monarch Butterfly]

TBH, its decisions like these that make these transit city projects feel less like they were designed to get Toronto moving, and more like a way to make driving more insufferable. Liberals spent years yelling about how LRTs are the future, and yet when the city announces that Eglinton won't have traffic signal priority, all of these same people are suspiciously silent. This isn't about making good transit, this is about making driving worse, which is the absolute worst way of making transit.

If only the light rail vehicles carry more people than the three or four automobiles turning left. Oh wait....

 

[ARG1]

If only the light rail vehicles carry more people than the three or four automobiles turning left. Oh wait....

And? What are you trying to argue here? That LRTs are more space efficient than automobiles? Thank you mister obvious.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

And? What are you trying to argue here? That LRTs are more space efficient than automobiles? Thank you mister obvious.

Except for the bureaucrats and councillors who refuse to enforce REAL transit priority at traffic signal intersections.

 

[11th]

​ Birchmount Stop Permanent Left Turn Removal

​ September 15, 2020

​

​ To accommodate the continued construction of Birchmount Stop and as part of the final intersection configuration, the eastbound left turn movement at Eglinton Avenue East and Birchmount Road will be permanently removed as early as September 15, 2020. The westbound left turn movement was removed permanently late 2019. What to Expect Permanent removal of the eastbound left turn movement at the Eglinton Avenue East and Birchmount Road intersection. Advanced signage will be installed to alert drivers of the new turn prohibition. As part of the final configuration, left turns will be available at Warden Avenue and Kennedy Road.

Weren't there plans to add U-turns on the cross streets (smaller version of Michigan-left) to accommodate left turn removals?

 

[Steve X]

Weren't there plans to add U-turns on the cross streets (smaller version of Michigan-left) to accommodate left turn removals?

Nope, people didn't like the Michigan U. This leaves Left/U-turns at most intersections.

 

[crs1026]

^Michigan U’s don’t really improve things for a centre median LRT, as there still has to be a disruption to LRT flow when the autos get the green light for their U turn. Might as well let that happen at the intersection.
(Hint: transit priority signalling mumble mumble)

- Paul

 

[toronto647]

Is tunnelling an LRT a barrier to creating complete communities & a drain on other badly needed transit investment?

After months confined to a briefing room at Queen’s Park, communicating with journalists by conference call, Doug Ford has recently set out to journey across Ontario. On August 19, he was in Mississauga talking about the Eglinton West LRT extension. Ford announced the release of a request for...

ca.news.yahoo.com

 

[ARG1]

Is tunnelling an LRT a barrier to creating complete communities & a drain on other badly needed transit investment?

After months confined to a briefing room at Queen’s Park, communicating with journalists by conference call, Doug Ford has recently set out to journey across Ontario. On August 19, he was in Mississauga talking about the Eglinton West LRT extension. Ford announced the release of a request for...

ca.news.yahoo.com

"Complete communities" are a fundamentally flawed concept. While it is possible to have a community where people live and work without having to commute long distances, having EVERYTHING be accessible in a complete community is physically impossible and unachievable. People will still be commuting downtown to get the the Raptors game, or to go to a TSO Concert, a Jazz Club, whatever. Building rapid transit to purely focus on small communities won't achieve the ultimate goal of rapid trans-city transit, and will create incentives for car use because nobody wants to sit for 40 minutes on a slow surface LRT. Grade separated LRTs in turn create a good middle ground where stops are frequent enough to make travelling within a community quick and appealing, while not being overly long to make travelling to other communities or downtown to be too long.

 

[robmausser]

. Building rapid transit to purely focus on small communities won't achieve the ultimate goal of rapid trans-city transit

I'd go one further and say that building a transit line for a fully accessible community is the antithesis of rapid transit. A single mode of transportation can be either local or rapid, not both.

 

[pw20]

Ariel images of Toronto’s Line 1 illustrate this, with groups of towers at stations and single-detached houses between.

I want to be where the people are.
I wanna see, wanna see them dancin'
Riding around on those - what do you call 'em?
Oh - streetcars

 

[Steve X]

I'd go one further and say that building a transit line for a fully accessible community is the antithesis of rapid transit. A single mode of transportation can be either local or rapid, not both.

I always believed in a local LRT network connecting to a few frequent rail trunk lines is better than just subways everywhere.

 

[robmausser]

I always believed in a local LRT network connecting to a few frequent rail trunk lines is better than just subways everywhere.

Absolutely, with the exception of right downtown (aka DRL subway), Transit City + GO RER with properly implemented fare transfers would solve 90% of Torontos transit problems (from the perspective of capital works projects).

 

[11th]

^Michigan U’s don’t really improve things for a centre median LRT, as there still has to be a disruption to LRT flow when the autos get the green light for their U turn. Might as well let that happen at the intersection.
(Hint: transit priority signalling mumble mumble)

- Paul

What I meant is for the U-turns be on the cross street, not Eglinton. If you want to turn left at Birchmount, you'd turn right and then make a U-turn on Birchmount; or maybe that also messes up the signal priority?

 

[Rainforest]

What I meant is for the U-turns be on the cross street, not Eglinton. If you want to turn left at Birchmount, you'd turn right and then make a U-turn on Birchmount; or maybe that also messes up the signal priority?

Though, that might interfere slightly with the frequent bus routes serving the major N-S streets.

 

[afransen]

I think the idea is that instead of a left you would turn right and use a Michigan U on the side street?