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Seeing as an LRV carries more people per car, it would be an improvement, because its just moving the buses north and removing some, there would be some breathing room at Bloor even though the headway might increase due to excess capacity.

Well, if the buses are replaced with LRV 1:1, there should be more more breathing room. But if they are replaced based on the same load/capacity ratio (this is what TTC tends to do, and it means fewer LRV than buses), then the average load factor will remain the same and the uncomfortably large gaps are likely to become more frequent.
 
Well, if the buses are replaced with LRV 1:1, there should be more more breathing room. But if they are replaced based on the same load/capacity ratio (this is what TTC tends to do, and it means fewer LRV than buses), then the average load factor will remain the same and the uncomfortably large gaps are likely to become more frequent.

The frequency for Transit City (as presented) was to have the same frequency as the Subway, 5± minutes during the non-rush hour and 2± minutes during the rush hours. Should the capacity of the trainset be reached, another LRV would be added to the trainset.
 
And the traffic mess on Eglinton has started. Soil sampling is currently being done all along Eglinton, and at every future station. Multiple lanes are closed along the length of Eglinton. It has added about 10 minutes to my morning commute. Down with transit!!!!
 
The frequency for Transit City (as presented) was to have the same frequency as the Subway, 5± minutes during the non-rush hour and 2± minutes during the rush hours. Should the capacity of the trainset be reached, another LRV would be added to the trainset.

This is correct. But let’s not forget that all Transit City routes are to run in dedicated lanes, and thus protected from congestion.

In contrast, a mixed-traffic streetcar on Dufferin would be seriously affected by congestion. Even if the scheduled average headway was 5 min, in practice much longer gaps would often occur.
 
It appears that a serious attempt to revive Transit City and get construction started immediately is beginning to gain traction with both the public and some councillors.

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I say take the TTC out of Transit Master Plans completely. Hand the planning reins over to Metrolinx, and let them coordinate it. Heck, they're already funding it, they should be able to control the projects themselves. Once the routes, the priorities, and the general design have been determined, give the TTC engineers and planners responsibility over the detailed design.

Doing this would also further insulate the transit planning process from municipal baffoons with their own anti-transit agenda.
 
This is correct. But let’s not forget that all Transit City routes are to run in dedicated lanes, and thus protected from congestion.

In contrast, a mixed-traffic streetcar on Dufferin would be seriously affected by congestion. Even if the scheduled average headway was 5 min, in practice much longer gaps would often occur.

If a DRL went from Dundas West Station to the downtown, it would probably have a station/stop at Dufferin/Queen West, thereby relieved some congestion on Dufferin.
 
I say take the TTC out of Transit Master Plans completely. Hand the planning reins over to Metrolinx, and let them coordinate it. Heck, they're already funding it, they should be able to control the projects themselves. Once the routes, the priorities, and the general design have been determined, give the TTC engineers and planners responsibility over the detailed design.

Doing this would also further insulate the transit planning process from municipal baffoons with their own anti-transit agenda.


I totally agree with that idea. To further thie heart of your proposal, I'd make Metrolinx an entirely apolitical group by having the board be 100% civilian. Let's plan transit according to experts in the field, not politicians looking to gain votes.
 
If a DRL went from Dundas West Station to the downtown, it would probably have a station/stop at Dufferin/Queen West, thereby relieved some congestion on Dufferin.

I think the best thing to do for Dufferin for now would be to build more perpendicular routes (Eglinton, some sort of DRL), and see how that affects the route. I think in that case you'd find it would have a much higher turnover, and a more bi-directional flow than it does now. For example, someone living midway between St. Clair and Eglinton near Dufferin may choose to take the Dufferin bus up to Eglinton instead of down to Bloor. Conversely, someone getting on at Dufferin and Lawrence will only need to go to Eglinton, thereby freeing up a seat (or standing room bubble) for someone getting on at or south of Eglinton.

If Dufferin is still really crowded after all of that, then we can look at rapid transit options, which would no doubt be very expensive.
 
I totally agree with that idea. To further thie heart of your proposal, I'd make Metrolinx an entirely apolitical group by having the board be 100% civilian. Let's plan transit according to experts in the field, not politicians looking to gain votes.

Thanks. Didn't they already kind of do that? I thought a couple years ago they took all the mayors on the Metrolinx board of directors and gave them the boot. Can anyone clarify?
 
I am curious about one thing. Is the Eglinton LRT - SRT link up conditional on the Eglinton LRT being fully grade separated to run successfully?

Many here talk about how the decision to grade separate the non-central portions could be reversed. But does this hold true when the two lines are linked?

I would think that the frequencies at which the whole line will be operating will make grade separation sensible.
 
I say take the TTC out of Transit Master Plans completely. Hand the planning reins over to Metrolinx, and let them coordinate it. Heck, they're already funding it, they should be able to control the projects themselves. Once the routes, the priorities, and the general design have been determined, give the TTC engineers and planners responsibility over the detailed design.

Doing this would also further insulate the transit planning process from municipal baffoons with their own anti-transit agenda.

Not just planning. I'd like to see Metrolinx take over operations for the subway network and any fully grade-separated LRTs (like Eglinton) that are built. I firmly believe that this is the only way we'll get proper integration between GO and the subway network. This is also the only way we'll get sensible investment for the billions that are about to be spent on transit network expansion.

I am willing to bet that if Metrolinx had been given the billions and a clean sheet, we'd have seen nothing like Transit City. Billions on LRTs that shave mere minutes for most riders while a whole bevy of rail corridors, that could bring millions of riders annually to their destinations in half the time, lie unused. Sadly, Metrolinx is more rubber stamp, than regional planning and co-ordination authority.
 
I think that local planning is more in tune with day to day transit operation. However, Metrolinx (GO Transit) should definitely be working with the TTC to tie regional transportation with that of local transit.

Metrolinx should be in charge of inter municipal transit while local authorities provide short distance travel.

This however might mean that Metrolinx can probably take over the subway network which in Toronto seems to be a long distance travel method rather than the hop on / hop off use it sees in New York or London. The TTC would continue to operate streetcar / LRT and bus service.

An electrified GO added to the existing subway network can give Toronto significant transit expansion by simply tying the two together and providing all day service for GO.
 
I am curious about one thing. Is the Eglinton LRT - SRT link up conditional on the Eglinton LRT being fully grade separated to run successfully?

Many here talk about how the decision to grade separate the non-central portions could be reversed. But does this hold true when the two lines are linked?

I would think that the frequencies at which the whole line will be operating will make grade separation sensible.

I have thought about this as well. Given the projected ridership when the SRT is included, it certainly does push into the upper ranges of what at-grade LRT can handle. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some sort of hybrid proposal though, where it ducked underneath intersections, and the stations were located underneath the intersection itself. I wouldn't mind this at all, as it would be a nice compromise between fully at-grade and tunnelled.

My personal preference would be one of two options:

1) Elevated, either in-median or on one side of the road. All the advantages of grade separation, without the added expense of tunnelling.

2) Trenched in-median. That way it could be decked over in select locations to give a pleasant boulevard, even if the decking over was done in phases after the project is complete. Normally a trench in the middle of an avenue would be an eyesore, but Eglinton East is such an eyesore anyway, no one would really notice. Naturally though the walls would need to be concrete and vertical, the sloped grass thing clearly wouldn't work. Again, grade-separation without the expense of tunnelling.

Not just planning. I'd like to see Metrolinx take over operations for the subway network and any fully grade-separated LRTs (like Eglinton) that are built. I firmly believe that this is the only way we'll get proper integration between GO and the subway network. This is also the only way we'll get sensible investment for the billions that are about to be spent on transit network expansion.

Good idea. Only thing is though then Metrolinx would pretty much have to fund local transit as well (or at least set up some kind of funding scheme), because the only reason the TTC even comes close to breaking even is the revenue generated from the subway network. If they had to fund the bus network without that revenue, they'd be toast. And if you had that funding arrangement for the TTC, you'd have to have it for all GTA transit agencies. I would think that would be where the NDP's 50% operating subsidy would come in quite handy.

I am willing to bet that if Metrolinx had been given the billions and a clean sheet, we'd have seen nothing like Transit City. Billions on LRTs that shave mere minutes for most riders while a whole bevy of rail corridors, that could bring millions of riders annually to their destinations in half the time, lie unused. Sadly, Metrolinx is more rubber stamp, than regional planning and co-ordination authority.

That's part of what I was hoping for :p. Come up with something that actually makes sense from a regional transit perspective, instead of from a social planning perspective.

Although part of me does worry about Metrolinx getting into a Robert Moses-esque "I can do whatever I want" mindset, where the public opinion means nothing to them, especially because they would only be accountable to the Premier. But given that option over what we currently have (pointless political bickering), maybe a Robert Moses-esque mentality wouldn't be a bad thing, as long as it was directed towards transit and not highway expansion.
 

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