Jason1980 said:
As is the case with all of the Yonge and Steeles developments, they are waiting on the North York Secondary plan to be approved. My business was evicted 11 years ago, because construction was going to start soon..... so far.. nothing..
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11 years ago there was no AIC proposal, sounds like they shafted your business, sorry about that. Most businesses are dead in Centrepoint mall; Hudson’s Bay, Canada Computers, etc. Should be an easy shovel to get into the ground. Although i’m curious to know if any businesses had a demolition clause apart of their lease agreement…
 
raadthedeveloper said:
11 years ago there was no AIC proposal, sounds like they shafted your business, sorry about that. Most businesses are dead in Centrepoint mall; Hudson’s Bay, Canada Computers, etc. Should be an easy shovel to get into the ground. Although i’m curious to know if any businesses had a demolition clause apart of their lease agreement…
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Numerous redevelopment proposals are open all over the area, but they are very very slow to approve. My assumption now is they will wait for the subway to be completed 2031-2032 before revisiting these proposals. I also would assume from being in the area 30 years. that the north of Steeles (Vaughn) and south of Steeles (Toronto) dont have plans that totally align. Canadian Tire and No Frills would need to be found new homes, but otherwise Centrepoint is just squatting on land that should be used for housing. My business was part of the 6160 Yonge redevelopment, we were located at 6174 Yonge, and it was advised to us that our lease would not be going forward due to impending demolition and redevelopment... clearly that was a lie.
 
Jason1980 said:
Numerous redevelopment proposals are open all over the area, but they are very very slow to approve. My assumption now is they will wait for the subway to be completed 2031-2032 before revisiting these proposals. I also would assume from being in the area 30 years. that the north of Steeles (Vaughn) and south of Steeles (Toronto) dont have plans that totally align. Canadian Tire and No Frills would need to be found new homes, but otherwise Centrepoint is just squatting on land that should be used for housing. My business was part of the 6160 Yonge redevelopment, we were located at 6174 Yonge, and it was advised to us that our lease would not be going forward due to impending demolition and redevelopment... clearly that was a lie.
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I just find it difficult to believe that the development of yonge and steeles would happen after the subway completion…
It makes sense to time it in a way where the developments and subway finish at the same time. Would also be a bonus to create a yonge and steeles underground PATH that connects all buildings to Steeles station, this would be way easier if construction was at the same time. No frills and canadian tire’s new home would be in the 8 floors of commercial/amenities below the proposed condos, no frills (or any grocery chain replacing) would most likely be located at the intersection for easy access and to avoid having outdoor/indoor parking for shopping.
 
raadthedeveloper said:
Anything new on this? Once metrolinx puts the drill in the ground im guessing this project will accelerate?
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Just an etiquette thing to pass along, in general, its frowned on to 'bump' threads to ask if there is 'any news'. For the most part, if anyone has news, that they can share, they will.

That said, I checked, and I can offer an update.

This one is at the OLT, to which it was appealed many moons ago.

The Merit Hearing is scheduled for April, 14th, 2025.

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Further, it appears a Settlement Offer has been made to the City, and that is before this week's meeting of Council.

Agenda Item History 2025.CC28.8

Agenda Item History 2025.CC28.8
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The item is currently confidential.

Depending on how Council votes. It may be public as soon as the end of next week.

I'll flag @Paclo to keep an eye on this as well.
 
Jason1980 said:
Numerous redevelopment proposals are open all over the area, but they are very very slow to approve. My assumption now is they will wait for the subway to be completed 2031-2032 before revisiting these proposals. I also would assume from being in the area 30 years. that the north of Steeles (Vaughn) and south of Steeles (Toronto) dont have plans that totally align. Canadian Tire and No Frills would need to be found new homes, but otherwise Centrepoint is just squatting on land that should be used for housing. My business was part of the 6160 Yonge redevelopment, we were located at 6174 Yonge, and it was advised to us that our lease would not be going forward due to impending demolition and redevelopment... clearly that was a lie.
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I'm not saying the subway won't be open in 2031 but I am saying it's just about April 2025 and ain't no shovels in no ground yet.
(Just in case anyone's going to pounce on that as a sign it's not happening, there are utility relocations happening all along Yonge so stuff is happening. But no tunnelling yet.)

I doubt all the development is wating on the subway BUT some of them could be waiting on final detrminations of just what land the subway will actually need, depending where they are, if they might have a connection or be expropriated or whatever. If we're talking about the mall site, obviously Canadian Tire is further away from Yonge but evne once this development gets approved, we don't know the mall's plans. Will they try to keep it partly open? Tear it all down? Start development moving from west to east? A lot of guessowrk.

I don't think people are LYING, necessarily. The Province announced a subway would open in 2031 and while it's clearly not ahead of schedule, one can understand how that messes up planning for long-term leases etc. Still, obviously that ends up being unfair/frustrating to people like yourself. Not everything needs to find a new home, per se. The market will dictate what kind of retail goes in to the redevelopment, for example. Maybe it's No Frills again. Maybe it's a Farm Boy or a T&T. Who knows?

Jason1980 said:
As is the case with all of the Yonge and Steeles developments, they are waiting on the North York Secondary plan to be approved. My business was evicted 11 years ago, because construction was going to start soon..... so far.. nothing..
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I'm not sure why I can't easily find it online but I'm pretty sure the North Yonge Secconday Plan was approved by the OLT., maybe late last year?
The SP appeals did also "slow down" some of the development so I'm sure as certainty crystalizes, with that and then the subway construction plans, timing etc., you'll see things moving forward more quickly.
 
TJ O'Pootertoot said:
I'm not saying the subway won't be open in 2031 but I am saying it's just about April 2025 and ain't no shovels in no ground yet.
(Just in case anyone's going to pounce on that as a sign it's not happening, there are utility relocations happening all along Yonge so stuff is happening. But no tunnelling yet.)

I doubt all the development is wating on the subway BUT some of them could be waiting on final detrminations of just what land the subway will actually need, depending where they are, if they might have a connection or be expropriated or whatever. If we're talking about the mall site, obviously Canadian Tire is further away from Yonge but evne once this development gets approved, we don't know the mall's plans. Will they try to keep it partly open? Tear it all down? Start development moving from west to east? A lot of guessowrk.

I don't think people are LYING, necessarily. The Province announced a subway would open in 2031 and while it's clearly not ahead of schedule, one can understand how that messes up planning for long-term leases etc. Still, obviously that ends up being unfair/frustrating to people like yourself. Not everything needs to find a new home, per se. The market will dictate what kind of retail goes in to the redevelopment, for example. Maybe it's No Frills again. Maybe it's a Farm Boy or a T&T. Who knows?


I'm not sure why I can't easily find it online but I'm pretty sure the North Yonge Secconday Plan was approved by the OLT., maybe late last year?
The SP appeals did also "slow down" some of the development so I'm sure as certainty crystalizes, with that and then the subway construction plans, timing etc., you'll see things moving forward more quickly.
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The subway won't be open in 2031.

Also, this is a land play. It'll be years, perhaps decades, before any of these area proposals get going.
 
This is at 4.3FSI,… while across the street, Osmington got 21.75FSI at 6355 Yonge last Fall,…. Morguard would be idiots to proceed with this at 4.3FSI.
 
Here, the 4.3FSI is a weighted average of higher FSI density along Yonge & Steeles VS lower closer to the established Single Residential House Neighbourhoods further away from Yonge & Steeles,..... but all this was first proposed under the previous Term.

Since then,.... CityPlanning and New Councillor has not been successful at holding Developers to the maximum allowable height and density of the relatively new Yonge Street North Secondary Plan,... especially along Mid-Block where the Yonge Street North Secondary Plan specify maximum allowable Height of 13-storey and 6.0FSI density,... and over time what's being granted inches upward,... setting new precedents,... including,...
- in October 2023 - at 6200 Yonge Developer Ferrow which includes Mayor John Tory's buddy Edward Rogers tried for 25-storey with 9.0FSI (City refused forcing Developer to appeal to OMB/OLT) but got 16-storey with 7.0FSI,... granted at the OMB/OLT!!!

But last August - when everyone was on Vacation,... a BS emergency North York Community Council meeting set up at the last minute for August 20, 2024 with only 2 agenda items,... look at Cllr Lily's body language,... she looks like a deer caught in the headlight!

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- Korak's 6125 Yonge Street: Yonge Street North Secondary Plan - now 16-storey with 8.5FSI (6125 Yonge),.... and this approval was at City-Level,.... without going to OMB/OLT!!
Link: urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/toronto-6125-yonge-62-6m-17s-arkfield-dialog.33421/page-2#post-2124110
- Osmington's 6355 Yonge just got approved for 51-storey with 21.75FSI density,... at the City Level without going to OMB/OLT!
Link: urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/toronto-6355-yonge-173-1m-51s-osmington-gerofsky-tact-architecture.34564/

Both of these Mid-Block proposals were approved at City Level,... without going to OMB/OLT,.... 6355 Yonge approved for 21.75FSI, on land where Yonge Street North Secondary Plan specify maximum allowable density of 6.0FSI,....

Since the original CenterPoint Mall redevelopment proposal at 4.3FSI,.... the flood gates have opened,...
 
Guidelines relating to built form, public realm & transportation/servicing are covered in the endorsed SASP Settlement, no new info on proposal specifics, but I will include the built form map below:
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Merit hearing scheduled for April 23rd
 
I hate that the Lariviere Rd extension does not continue to Steeles. It will eventually connect directly to Beecroft and making a direct connection to Steeles would make it much more useful for the distribution of traffic off of Yonge Street.
 
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