[nfitz]

This has been discussed multiple times in the past in this thread but based on the current route's the buses will likely terminate like this:

SCARBOROUGH CENTRE:
9 Bellamy
16 McCowan (Potentially just a street-side stop if they run it through to Sheppard West)
38 Highland Creek
43B Kennedy
133 Neilson
134 Progress
406 Scarborough-Guildwood (Just a Wheel-Trans stop in general)
938 Highland Creek Express
996 Wilson Express
900 PULSE (assuming DRT extends it to STC/the Ellesmere BRT is ever built).

SHEPPARD EAST:
16 McCowan
85 Sheppard East
129 McCowan North
130 Middldfield
131 Nugget
132 Milner
169 Huntingwood
985 Sheppard East Express
939 Finch East Express
DRT 920 & 921 (assuming DRT terminates them there instead of continuing to STC as they currently do).

The only routes that seem unclear to me are the 21 Brimley which could realistically serve either station and the intercity and GO routes. Service on the 903 will be ended as it will be replaced by the subway extension. Service on the 904 will likely also be ended as riders could just take the subway to Sheppard East and then take the 85 or 985 to Don Mills.

Thanks for reposting, so I don't have to dig through the 20,000+ posts in this thread!

So TTC want's 18 platforms for an estimated 8 routes (plus Wheeltrans). But they both conclude that 11 doesn't work. I feel I'm missing something.

 

[Richard White]

Thanks for reposting, so I don't have to dig through the 20,000+ posts in this thread!

So TTC want's 18 platforms for an estimated 8 routes (plus Wheeltrans). But they both conclude that 11 doesn't work. I feel I'm missing something.

It's not just 8 plus wheeltrans.

They want room for shuttles and expansion too.

 

[nfitz]

It's not just 8 plus wheeltrans.

They want room for shuttles and expansion too.

Shuttle services at many other stations stop on the street - I don't see that as a big problem.

How much expansion do they need? I'd think in the long-term, once Line 4 is finished, Line 7 along Sheppard, Morningside, Eglinton East are finished, and Lakeshore East is closer to subway-like frequencies, that there may be even less routes.

With the 8 routes, you point out that a McCowan service might make more sense on the street now. Would the 38/933 Highland and 133 Nielsen really duplicate the 95 York Mills service west of Morningside? Or would it just stop at Line 7.

And then we've gone from 8 routes to 4 routes. It could look like an old Victoria Park/Warden/Islington white elephant one day.

 

[Thaboss]

Shuttle services at many other stations stop on the street - I don't see that as a big problem.

How much expansion do they need? I'd think in the long-term, once Line 4 is finished, Line 7 along Sheppard, Morningside, Eglinton East are finished, and Lakeshore East is closer to subway-like frequencies, that there may be even less routes.

With the 8 routes, you point out that a McCowan service might make more sense on the street now. Would the 38/933 Highland and 133 Nielsen really duplicate the 95 York Mills service west of Morningside? Or would it just stop at Line 7.

And then we've gone from 8 routes to 4 routes. It could look like an old Victoria Park/Warden/Islington white elephant one day.

The build out for all of the above is something like 15 - 20 years generously. I don't think it's crazy to build for those 20 years, especially when eert is far from guaranteed and with that BRT planned to end at STC.

 

[nfitz]

The build out for all of the above is something like 15 - 20 years generously. I don't think it's crazy to build for those 20 years, especially when eert is far from guaranteed and with that BRT planned to end at STC.

Line 5 has taken over 15 years so far. The clock doesn't start to click until if and when the Line 2 extension opens.

 

[Amare]

Maybe Ontario should run ML as it was intended.....ie a freestanding agency that sits outside of political influence and has a strong Board with a mandate to speak truth to power. And a properly developed work management organization. And a culture of accountability.

- Paul

That would be an ideal dream situation, but we know that's simply not possible in Ontario unfortunately.

 

[KhalilHeron]

Thanks for reposting, so I don't have to dig through the 20,000+ posts in this thread!

So TTC want's 18 platforms for an estimated 8 routes (plus Wheeltrans). But they both conclude that 11 doesn't work. I feel I'm missing something.

They also want the 21 (2 directions so 2 platforms) and a Centennial college express (like as shortened 903 ) to continue stopping there. Eventually, they also want a Brimorton bus if they can ever fund it (though the 406 is certainly replacing that idea for now). 18 platforms may be a little overkill but since the project was taken over metrolinx has reduced the size of the terminal significantly and has poached platforms previously dedicated to the ttc for GO buses. However many the ttc get it'll certainly be less than ideal for the service they would like to run.

 

[Vortex112]

A bay for each individual bus route that serves the terminal is the kind of thing that absolutely explodes project costs

 

[Amare]

A bay for each individual bus route that serves the terminal is the kind of thing that absolutely explodes project costs

It's better to overbuild, then underbuild. Toronto is a growing city, and the terminal wouldn't just be serving TTC buses.

It's beneficial to build for more capacity, than under capacity or just to capacity.

Just look at the Union Station Bus Terminal, it was built on the premise that GO would electrify multiple rail lines and that would reduce the reliance on GO buses serving the terminal. But now that Metrolinx is lost in stasis, and electrification is "10-15 years away" for only a segment of the Lakeshore East and West lines, that premise was of course misguided. There are already signs that the Union Bus Terminal is overloaded at various points of the day (ie: passenger levels are very high, and there are not enough bus layover spaces to the point where buses are laying over all over downtown). And with inter-city bus companies increasing their services due to the increased popularity and demand, well we can see where this recipe is going...

The fact of the matter is, Metrolinx pretty much doesn't know how to plan projects for the future. We've seen this time, and time again with this inept organization.