[Thaboss]

Shuttle services at many other stations stop on the street - I don't see that as a big problem.

How much expansion do they need? I'd think in the long-term, once Line 4 is finished, Line 7 along Sheppard, Morningside, Eglinton East are finished, and Lakeshore East is closer to subway-like frequencies, that there may be even less routes.

With the 8 routes, you point out that a McCowan service might make more sense on the street now. Would the 38/933 Highland and 133 Nielsen really duplicate the 95 York Mills service west of Morningside? Or would it just stop at Line 7.

And then we've gone from 8 routes to 4 routes. It could look like an old Victoria Park/Warden/Islington white elephant one day.

The build out for all of the above is something like 15 - 20 years generously. I don't think it's crazy to build for those 20 years, especially when eert is far from guaranteed and with that BRT planned to end at STC.

 

[nfitz]

The build out for all of the above is something like 15 - 20 years generously. I don't think it's crazy to build for those 20 years, especially when eert is far from guaranteed and with that BRT planned to end at STC.

Line 5 has taken over 15 years so far. The clock doesn't start to click until if and when the Line 2 extension opens.

 

[Amare]

Maybe Ontario should run ML as it was intended.....ie a freestanding agency that sits outside of political influence and has a strong Board with a mandate to speak truth to power. And a properly developed work management organization. And a culture of accountability.

- Paul

That would be an ideal dream situation, but we know that's simply not possible in Ontario unfortunately.

 

[KhalilHeron]

Thanks for reposting, so I don't have to dig through the 20,000+ posts in this thread!

So TTC want's 18 platforms for an estimated 8 routes (plus Wheeltrans). But they both conclude that 11 doesn't work. I feel I'm missing something.

They also want the 21 (2 directions so 2 platforms) and a Centennial college express (like as shortened 903 ) to continue stopping there. Eventually, they also want a Brimorton bus if they can ever fund it (though the 406 is certainly replacing that idea for now). 18 platforms may be a little overkill but since the project was taken over metrolinx has reduced the size of the terminal significantly and has poached platforms previously dedicated to the ttc for GO buses. However many the ttc get it'll certainly be less than ideal for the service they would like to run.

 

[Vortex112]

A bay for each individual bus route that serves the terminal is the kind of thing that absolutely explodes project costs

 

[Amare]

A bay for each individual bus route that serves the terminal is the kind of thing that absolutely explodes project costs

It's better to overbuild, then underbuild. Toronto is a growing city, and the terminal wouldn't just be serving TTC buses.

It's beneficial to build for more capacity, than under capacity or just to capacity.

Just look at the Union Station Bus Terminal, it was built on the premise that GO would electrify multiple rail lines and that would reduce the reliance on GO buses serving the terminal. But now that Metrolinx is lost in stasis, and electrification is "10-15 years away" for only a segment of the Lakeshore East and West lines, that premise was of course misguided. There are already signs that the Union Bus Terminal is overloaded at various points of the day (ie: passenger levels are very high, and there are not enough bus layover spaces to the point where buses are laying over all over downtown). And with inter-city bus companies increasing their services due to the increased popularity and demand, well we can see where this recipe is going...

The fact of the matter is, Metrolinx pretty much doesn't know how to plan projects for the future. We've seen this time, and time again with this inept organization.

 

[TOtramz]

In the TTC document for Nov 3rd, they mentioned that the train storage project at Sheppard East station is not going to proceed. Instead, they are proceeding with the Warden siding project.
Does this have implications for future service constraints on line 2 and is this short sighted?

 

[Richard White]

In the TTC document for Nov 3rd, they mentioned that the train storage project at Sheppard East station is not going to proceed. Instead, they are proceeding with the Warden siding project.
Does this have implications for future service constraints on line 2 and is this short sighted?

Warden siding project?

 

[Metroscapes]

Honestly I dont think that there's a single thing Metrolinx can do properly at this point, asides from operating the GO Bus network.

Let's run through a little list:

-They cant build GO stations without it taking eons and being overbudget,
-They cant plan and keep the construction of rapid transit projects on time and blowing past budgets,
-They cant plan and execute for electrification,
-They cant listen to communities, when more often than not said community ends up being correct,
-They cant listen to transit agencies who know their own requirements better than they

Truthfully, what's the point in having them exist at this point? I'll go on and take a wild guess that that Boroughs Centre bus terminal will be wildly over budget solely because of the ineptitude of Metrolinx.

They can't help municipalities advance active transportation infrastructure in/adjacent to their corridors.

 

[max]

Warden siding project?

https://secure.toronto.ca/council/agenda-item.do?item=2025.TTC10.4
Page 13 of the report

 

[KhalilHeron]

In the TTC document for Nov 3rd, they mentioned that the train storage project at Sheppard East station is not going to proceed. Instead, they are proceeding with the Warden siding project.
Does this have implications for future service constraints on line 2 and is this short sighted?

i remember a few years ago the ttc fighting metrolinx over the number of trains that would be stored at sheppard east, and back then they were worried it would seriously constrain the service. With even less storage now i dont imagine the outlook is positive.

 

[T3G]

Honestly I dont think that there's a single thing Metrolinx can do properly at this point, asides from operating the GO Bus network.

Let's run through a little list:

-They cant build GO stations without it taking eons and being overbudget,
-They cant plan and keep the construction of rapid transit projects on time and blowing past budgets,
-They cant plan and execute for electrification,
-They cant listen to communities, when more often than not said community ends up being correct,
-They cant listen to transit agencies who know their own requirements better than they

Truthfully, what's the point in having them exist at this point? I'll go on and take a wild guess that that Boroughs Centre bus terminal will be wildly over budget solely because of the ineptitude of Metrolinx.

I think it's generous of you to describe the GO bus network as working!

 

[JSF-1]

This is speculation on my part but could the Warden Siding Project be something like this? The lines aren't perfect but it seems you can cram a couple of tracks into the space south of Warden Station were the current siding is. This would yard would be purely for overnight storage and have no maintenance capacity like Vincent Yard. I got 6 tracks in there for a capacity of 8 trains although I am no professional. Not sure where the yard office would go though...

 

[TOtramz]

If the Sheppard East storage was actually to proceed, I would imagine the storage tracks would have to be underground stretch towards middlefield.
Probably why MX balked at the cost and decided not to proceed with that

 

[dowlingm]

This is speculation on my part but could the Warden Siding Project be something like this? The lines aren't perfect but it seems you can cram a couple of tracks into the space south of Warden Station were the current siding is. This would yard would be purely for overnight storage and have no maintenance capacity like Vincent Yard. I got 6 tracks in there for a capacity of 8 trains although I am no professional. Not sure where the yard office would go though...

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I doubt we will see anything that expansive if for no other reason than the outer tracks would require removal of a hydro tower.

A long siding looks possible, accessed through the existing work train siding to the south (with some extension), and then running north along the station and over the former CN delivery track bridge. Whether a switch could also be cut in on the north side I don’t know. It’s possible a second siding track could be done without exceeding the TTC property line but I have doubts.