Monarch Butterfly said:
7,360 residential units with 3,680 long-term residential motor vehicle parking spaces and 5,005 long-term residential bicycle parking spaces (out of 5,017 total bicycle spaces). 370 visitor parking, 119 commercial parking spaces, and 535 short term bicycle spaces.

Is it "obscene" that there is not enough parking or too much parking?

Either way, the public transit does need to be improved. More sidewalk space is needed, More trees needed. More cycling lanes needed. Maybe make the inner streets "Woonerfs" without sidewalks and force the motorists to move at 15 km/h.
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Too much.

Unfortunately public transit here wont be improved here anytime soon to accommodate this kind of development. There's no plan for any higher order transit in this area. Heck the TTC wouldn't even have nearly enough buses to accommodate this, and they'd need to build a new bus garage (ie: the garage on the Kipling lands that the city doesnt even have money to build today).
 
Amare said:
Too much.

Unfortunately public transit here wont be improved here anytime soon to accommodate this kind of development. There's no plan for any higher order transit in this area. Heck the TTC wouldn't even have nearly enough buses to accommodate this, and they'd need to build a new bus garage (ie: the garage on the Kipling lands that the city doesnt even have money to build today).
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To be fair, the 44 Kipling South is one of the best busses in the city, and regularly runs under every five minutes during the day. But yea this level of density might be too much for a suburban subway exchange, never mind the intersection of two bus lines
 
jmi22 said:
To be fair, the 44 Kipling South is one of the best busses in the city, and regularly runs under every five minutes during the day. But yea this level of density might be too much for a suburban subway exchange, never mind the intersection of two bus lines
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They could replace the 44 KIPLING SOUTH bus with a streetcar in its own right-of-way. Maybe placing the right-of-way on the west side, north of Horner Avenue with a connection with a future Obico bus, subway, and streetcar barn at Obico Yard. There is already a "streetcar/light rail vehicle" platform at Kipling Station available to be used by a Kipling South streetcar.
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Monarch Butterfly said:
They could replace the 44 KIPLING SOUTH bus with a streetcar in its own right-of-way. Maybe placing the right-of-way on the west side, north of Horner Avenue with a connection with a future Obico bus, subway, and streetcar barn at Obico Yard. There is already a "streetcar/light rail vehicle" platform at Kipling Station available to be used by a Kipling South streetcar. View attachment 663836
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This is not happening, ever.

But let's say we entertained this idea, streetcars would actually be much worse for Kipling. Travel times would be dramatically slower, costs would be exorbitantly high for virtually little to no benefit, building a streetcar loop somewhere around Kipling Station, and good luck figuring out connecting Kipling Station to Kipling Ave through the rail bridge and hydro corridor.

They would be better off using articulated buses. But that would require shifting the 44/944 to another bus garage (which wouldnt make any sense), or building the aforementioned new bus garage the city has no money for and ordering new articulated buses.
 
Amare said:
This is not happening, ever.

But let's say we entertained this idea, streetcars would actually be much worse for Kipling. Travel times would be dramatically slower, costs would be exorbitantly high for virtually little to no benefit, building a streetcar loop somewhere around Kipling Station, and good luck figuring out connecting Kipling Station to Kipling Ave through the rail bridge and hydro corridor.

They would be better off using articulated buses. But that would require shifting the 44/944 to another bus garage (which wouldnt make any sense), or building the aforementioned new bus garage the city has no money for and ordering new articulated buses.
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That's because of "go slow" rules imposed "for safety" imposed by the province, the city, and the TTC. Need infrastructure improvements and rules used European cities to move up.

Toronto is the "slowest" streetcar/tram network in the world because of those rules.
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Monarch Butterfly said:
They could replace the 44 KIPLING SOUTH bus with a streetcar in its own right-of-way. Maybe placing the right-of-way on the west side, north of Horner Avenue with a connection with a future Obico bus, subway, and streetcar barn at Obico Yard. There is already a "streetcar/light rail vehicle" platform at Kipling Station available to be used by a Kipling South streetcar.
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Not sure if you've seen the news lately, but Transit City died ten years ago.
I'll happily stick to faster buses until the day when a real, grade separated, transit line can be built down Kipling. Building "urbane" light rail down industrial concession roads in the suburbs is never going to happen again, after the ridiculousness that is the Hurontario/Finch/Eglinton LRTs come to light.
Anyways, this is a bit off topic so I'll leave my thoughts at that
 
In other words, Conservatory will get this zoning and sit on it for a solid 20 years, then take a decade to build each phase.
 
I was really hoping that family lawsuit put Conservatory Group out of business for good.

No product comes out good with them.
 
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