Rufus8
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and what the hell is with closing off the Jarvis east bound ramp to the Gardiner? Didn't this thing just open? Didn't the city just do years of construction to put it in place, and now it's closed? Seriously?
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Monarch Butterfly
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achender
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I believe the thinking was that they needed to simplify the signals for all the eastbound traffic now exiting the Gardiner at Jarvis. If they don't have to weave the folks trying to get on the highway from Lake Shore through the folks exiting they can get more traffic off the Gardiner faster .... smack dab into a traffic jam. Ah well. I guess they won't be able to use the newly rebuilt on-ramp until they build the new off-ramp at Cherry some years hence.
Will the Jarvis eastbound off-ramp eventually be removed?
allengeorge
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I think it’ll take a few weeks (maybe a month) for people to get used to the new normal and for traffic volumes to stabilize. I’m curious what things will look like then.
achender
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Messing about does not seem to be in these peoples nature.
Edited to add a short clip.
Edited to add a short clip.
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DSCToronto
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The Jarvis east-bound off-ramp will be shortened and end at Yonge (I assume its name will change too!) Not sure on the timing but it's connected to the developments on the LCBO site etc.
drum118
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Sept 3
With the amount of equipment sitting at the east end of the ramp along with spare parts, time will not be wasted in removing the existing decking before removing the steel beams this long weekend. More equipment was arriving as I was shooting the area after I left the ramp area.
They were sitting up other equipment next to the Keating channel as well for protection of not having material falling into the water.
It took me all week to find a day to get the last shots of the expressway before it came down and it was tight doing it that day.
The area is going to look a hell lot better with this section gone and when the rest get moves to the north. Still better off removing the whole things regardless of adding an extra 5-10 minute travel time for 30,000 drivers.
As for the removal of the Jarvis off ramp, it was plan to happen next year, but like other things, it can be push back a few years. Pinnacle north tower can't be built until the new ramp is in place as well the whole corner for Yonge and Lake Shore.
Don't know the time table for rebuilding Lake Shore over the Don, but will be in 2 phases. First phase would for one of the 2 bridges where traffic will be a single lane on one lane road while the other is lengthen and widen and shift upon completion to do the other lane. The rail bridge and the pedestrian/cycles bridge will be remove as well and replace with a longer one.
With the amount of equipment sitting at the east end of the ramp along with spare parts, time will not be wasted in removing the existing decking before removing the steel beams this long weekend. More equipment was arriving as I was shooting the area after I left the ramp area.
They were sitting up other equipment next to the Keating channel as well for protection of not having material falling into the water.
It took me all week to find a day to get the last shots of the expressway before it came down and it was tight doing it that day.
The area is going to look a hell lot better with this section gone and when the rest get moves to the north. Still better off removing the whole things regardless of adding an extra 5-10 minute travel time for 30,000 drivers.
As for the removal of the Jarvis off ramp, it was plan to happen next year, but like other things, it can be push back a few years. Pinnacle north tower can't be built until the new ramp is in place as well the whole corner for Yonge and Lake Shore.
Don't know the time table for rebuilding Lake Shore over the Don, but will be in 2 phases. First phase would for one of the 2 bridges where traffic will be a single lane on one lane road while the other is lengthen and widen and shift upon completion to do the other lane. The rail bridge and the pedestrian/cycles bridge will be remove as well and replace with a longer one.
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hawc
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Drum118 great post and photos as always.
I took my family there tonight to watch from a safe difference. My kids were fascinated by it. I was trying to explain what I guess was the process, but would love an expert explanation of it. What are the steps roughly?
I guessed it was:
1) Remove ashpalt
2) Jackhammer away concrete and rebar of bridge deck
3) Cut and remove steel girders
4) Then jack hammer and remove concrete and rebar of bridge supports?
That's about it right?
I took my family there tonight to watch from a safe difference. My kids were fascinated by it. I was trying to explain what I guess was the process, but would love an expert explanation of it. What are the steps roughly?
I guessed it was:
1) Remove ashpalt
2) Jackhammer away concrete and rebar of bridge deck
3) Cut and remove steel girders
4) Then jack hammer and remove concrete and rebar of bridge supports?
That's about it right?
drum118
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That about right.
What I saw on Friday, no asphalt on the ramp with the centre median removed. Parts of the eastbound lane was partly broken up with a larger dump truck removing concrete off site to somewhere..
Don't expect to see any concrete on the roadway after this weekend.
May see a fair amount of girders/beam off the piers as well and store on the north side of the Lake Shore.
Plan on getting down there either Sunday or Monday to have a look at the area.
The rebar has to be separated from the concrete to go to the scrap yard to get some money for it.
They could close the inside lane this week to remove the bents outside of peak time.
hawc
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I keep forgetting a lot of that material does get recycled. Certainly the steel and the asphalt. Does concrete get recycled?
drum118
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Yes today not like the past where it went to the dump or X. It gets broken down to various size to the point it ends up being concrete again or becomes part of the road base.
Recycling play a large part these days for things being torn down.
hawc
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So this is kind of exciting... I guess they're using thermal/thermic lances to cut through the huge, thick steel sections as a crane lifts them aways.
And I'm guessing it's not just the horizontal girders, but the actual VERTICAL supports are also big steel pieces in many places.
That's a lot of burner bar work!!
And I'm guessing it's not just the horizontal girders, but the actual VERTICAL supports are also big steel pieces in many places.
That's a lot of burner bar work!!
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hawc
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And the Gardiner is cut in two! Man they're fast.
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drum118
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With the removal of the steel structure at Don Ways this weekend, it will allow access to the DVP for the coming weekend closures without being interfered with the rest of the removal. Got to keep the car folks happy.
Not all the steel beams/girders went from pier to pier, but were cantilever and bolted where one connected to another one.
Not all the steel beams/girders went from pier to pier, but were cantilever and bolted where one connected to another one.
alexb
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Does anyone know if the Staging Report linked below is the most recent document for how they plan on doing this work? This would be the Hybrid 3 plans that begin on Page 25. I imagine this stage of work hasn't been tendered out yet so plans aren't finalized but just looking at the concepts, it's going to be a crazy and no wonder it's going to take 8 years.