zang said:
Yes, but they’re all arguably about the safety of the driver and protection of their property, rather than the safety of those outside the vehicle; be it pedestrians or other vehicles.

It’s been posited that some of the SUV trend is an arms race; that people feel safer in a larger vehicle on roads with an increasing number of large vehicles.
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yes and no. I provided an example of some features Volvo offers which are designed specifically for pedestrians. Most of the features benefit both pedestrians and vehicle owners though as both have an interest in an avoided or reduced severity collision.

The vast majority of the SUV trend comes from a desire for a more comfortable, practical vehicle, as well as other various regulations. SUVs are easier to step in and out of, offer more practical cargo capacity, usually offer towing capabilities, and usually offer better sight-lines. I doubt the "arms race" of vehicle size plays a particularly large role, though it is probably a contributing factor.

Another component is the increase in disposable income (especially in the US) in the last 15 years and the fact that cars have generally increased in price below the rate of inflation - buyers have more money to simply buy "more" car today.
 
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turbanplanner said:
No, I'm pointing out Zang is being incredibly silly thinking he knows better what car people should buy vs the owners. I have a 2 seat car and it isn't as rugged as a truck. I've paid $5000 for vehicle repairs due to crap roads (suspension, windshields, bent wheels etc) the city and province have given back $0. Ironically my friends in trucks have paid $0 for those types of repairs. The fact I can't carry a pet, a couch, or even a TV is probably enough for most people to buy more a bigger car.
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I had a Mazda 3 for 13 years and the most repairs I had that could be attributed to rough roads is a control arm. Then, not Toronto rough. I replaced it with a a bigger car when it got totaled in a collision last year.
 
turbanplanner said:
So then, what are your courses of action for people who live in the city but need a larger vehicle for work? What about people who have pets, what about people who have cottages, etc.
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I don't think there should be restrictions (though regulatory stuff such as crash-impact and higher taxation for heavier vehicles is different.

But what do pets and cottages have to do with owning trucks, or any vehicle with a high nose? Trucks can easily have low noses. And carrying capacity of many of these SUVs is shockingly low compared to my simple and much cheaper Civic sedan (which I've noticed when renting SUVs while on vacation). We have no problems heading off in a compact car for a week at the cottage with all the stuff, and two cat cages.

Now, I wouldn't bring my horse that way ... :)

The best thing I've seen for carrying stuff to the cottage en masse has been a minivan. If this was what's it's about, we'd see more of those! Do you know how much stuff you could get into a decently-sized mini-van?
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Is similar rebuilding work going to have to be undertaken on the section of the Gardiner over the Bentway soon after this section is completed?
 
I dont think this has been mentioned on this thread, but the city will be rehabilitating the York St (westbound) on-ramp beginning June 2024 and the project will go into early 2025. So if you think you already cant get anywhere in the city, it's about to get even worse.
 
duty free said:
great pics. makes me envy the cities that just torn theirs down.
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It's kind of depressing to basically see a new Gardiner Expressway going up. When you don't actually see the construction, it's not that bad. It's just a "rehabilitation".

But in reality, it looks like it's being torn down and replaced with a new structure. To waste so much in resources (even if it's provincial money) on something that hurts the livability of the downtown core is baffling. We're still so beholden to coddling drivers from the suburbs as a society and uninterested in taking any serious steps towards ending car dependence.
 
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