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Admiral Beez said:
I think roadside property forfeiture is better. The Ferrari isn't the offender, and its value at auction would return some cash to the city.
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You're probably right. But the satisfaction of watching a smug SOB having to press the button to crush their own high-end car? Yeah, I'm being petty
 

Toronto’s Parkside Drive speed camera resurrected after being chopped down 6 times​

From https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/article/torontos-parkside-drive-speed-camera-resurrected-after-being-chopped-down-6-times/

Toronto’s busiest automated speed cameras appears to be back up and running after it was chopped down for the sixth time.

In an email Monday morning, the advocacy group Safe Parkside captured images of crews erecting the camera on a street that runs parallel to High Park and serves as a gateway to Lake Shore Boulevard and the Gardiner Expressway.

The device has issued more than 68,500 speeding tickets and generated more than $7.3 million in traffic fines for the city, according to Safe Parkside, since it was installed in 2022. It was introduced in 2021, after a driver travelling at more than double the speed limit (then 50 km/h before it was reduced to 40 km/h) rear-ended a vehicle that was stopped in traffic and killed its two elderly occupants.

The camera was cut down the first time on Nov. 18 and reinstalled on Nov. 29—only to be cut down a second time less than 24 hours later.

It was felled again on Dec. 29 and dragged into High Park, where it was tossed in a lake.

In the latest act of vandalism, the camera was dismantled on July 9, despite the addition of a new police surveillance camera. It’s unclear if any suspects have been identified in connection with the July 9 incident. Police tell CTV News Toronto the investigation is ongoing.

According to Safe Parkside, the City of Toronto’s contract with Verra Mobility, which operates the cameras, requires any damaged or vandalized device to be repaired or replaced within 30 days. However, they said in this and the previous instances of vandalism, that requirement is not being met.

“Is reinstallation of the Parkside Drive speed camera being delayed in order to reduce the amount of times it can be vandalized? After all, you can’t vandalize something that isn’t there,” the group questioned.
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lenaitch said:
It seems some folks aren't big on due process.
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Or gradation/proportionality in sentencing.

License suspension is the best deterrent/consequence - if you make payments on your Ferrari for a year while it sits in your driveway while you take Ubers, that's gravy.

In my experience, the idiots on the 401 who drive impatiently or as if they are on a Formula I track aren't necessarily driving luxury cars. Some drive beaters. I have no special hatred for red sports cars.

- Paul
 
crs1026 said:
Or gradation/proportionality in sentencing.

License suspension is the best deterrent/consequence - if you make payments on your Ferrari for a year while it sits in your driveway while you take Ubers, that's gravy.

In my experience, the idiots on the 401 who drive impatiently or as if they are on a Formula I track aren't necessarily driving luxury cars. Some drive beaters. I have no special hatred for red sports cars.

- Paul
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Good to hear. You would have liked our 2008 red Miata. It was the missus' car and I was kinda sad when she sold it. An absolute hoot to drive - hard to get out of when you are 'of a certain age'.

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Going to be even harder to make changes to those ramps when the expressway is handed to the MTO. But no, its just a mess of ramps from the Gardiner hitting the same N/S roads that lakeshore does, way too many conflict points and awkwardly angled intersections. The solution is just to remove the gardiner.
 
crs1026 said:
Or gradation/proportionality in sentencing.

License suspension is the best deterrent/consequence - if you make payments on your Ferrari for a year while it sits in your driveway while you take Ubers, that's gravy.

In my experience, the idiots on the 401 who drive impatiently or as if they are on a Formula I track aren't necessarily driving luxury cars. Some drive beaters. I have no special hatred for red sports cars.

- Paul
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Our system of fines is anything but proportional. Also if you can afford a Ferrari you likely wouldn't care about making your payments for a year that much in the first place. Besides, you think the truly atrocious actually see license suspension as a deterrent? It won't be hard for me to come up with a list of cases where multiple license suspensions were treated as a non-issue.

The sheer degree of lawlessness on our roads (not to mention poor driving) is a clear indication that our current system is not working. Just give you an example - for two days straight I saw the same driver blowing through not one, but two stop signs (this isn't even a case of rolling stop - it is straight up ignoring the sign) in a row.

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Mihairokov said:
It's a shame the Gardiner is so close to the ground because there are options available elsewhere:
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I'd think completely removing pedestrians from intersections just repeats the Portage and Main mistake. Certainly improve the intersection for safety.

I'm not too familiar with Yonge and Lakeshore as a pedestrian. I always seem to walk down York, Bay, or Jarvis. Is it Yonge and Lakeshore that's the issue (that looks similar to Bay to me), or is it Yonge and Harbour - which has all the strange angles. Aren't there plans for here - I've never been quite sure what they are planning for east of Bay.
 
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I'd think completely removing pedestrians from intersections just repeats the Portage and Main mistake. Certainly improve the intersection for safety.

I'm not too familiar with Yonge and Lakeshore as a pedestrian. I always seem to walk down York, Bay, or Jarvis. Is it Yonge and Lakeshore that's the issue (that looks similar to Bay to me), or is it Yonge and Harbour - which has all the strange angles. Aren't there plans for here - I've never been quite sure what they are planning for east of Bay.
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The PATH walkway may continue over Lake Shore Blvd..and under the Gardiner Expressway to get to Queens Quay.
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A serious MTO would be studying where the approx. 140k people that use the gardiner come from and designing a new system to accomdate them plus further growth. I'm unsure if that entire 140k goes through the downtown section, though it seems plausible given the 60-100k that the DVP carries. Imagine a high speed commuter rail system elevated along the gardiner/dvp path designed to specifically function as a commuter gardiner/dvp replacement, freeing up the existing GO lines to become a more regional system. This is getting dangerously off topic spitballing, but the MTO seemingly only has one solution to any problem and its adding car lanes.
 
lenaitch said:
Good to hear. You would have liked our 2008 red Miata. It was the missus' car and I was kinda sad when she sold it. An absolute hoot to drive - hard to get out of when you are 'of a certain age'.

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I had a bright red 2011 Ford Mustang for a couple of years. I miss that car - it was sexy. But I have something much cooler now!
 
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Ossington Avenue Safety & Streetscaping Improvements

The City of Toronto is inviting residents to learn more and provide feedback on planned safety and streetscaping improvements along Ossington Avenue, from Dundas Street West to Queen Street West. These improvements aim to enhance safety and accessibility for all road users, including pedestrians...
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