[northyorker1]

Which 14 year old non citizens are voting for our next PM ?

Liberal party membership rules allow 14 y.o. non-citizens to be members and to vote for their leader, ie, our next prime minister

 

[Urban Sky]

If they are adamant that the service won't require any subsidies, then the ticket prices will likely be pretty expensive which will sap ridership. If they want to get high ridership and get a good chunk of cars off the road, they'll need to subsidize the service somewhat i think .

In a private company operating within a capitalist system, prices are set to maximize revenues and are thereforehighly independent from actual costs.

And I think Air Canada being involved helps the chances of this proceeding. They’re being smart knowing this will harm their short haul flights, but theoretically could recapture revenue from rail through the partnership Cadence.

The problem with Air Canada is not that they want to divert their passengers away from their low-performing connector flights to free up their precious slots at Pearson for more profitable uses, but that them exercising any form of control within Cadence could allow them to impede its competitors (WestJet) from doing the same.

There is no problem with Air Canada establishing business ties as customer of the ultimate operator, but that would not necessitate becoming one of the business partners within Cadence. There are many legitimate and illegitimate reasons to seek close ties with this HSR project, but most of the legitimate ones can be achieved without transcending the regular client-supplier relationship…

 

[afransen]

A position of “lets just keep building airports and highways” will not sit well with voters.

I'm not convinced this is true for a broad swathe of the electorate.

 

[kEiThZ]

It takes three levels of government to build any transit in Toronto or on GO. There’s no reason the feds couldn’t have announced to match funding on any theoretical transit line to solve congestion which is actually hurting the financial capital of the country.

You want people to stop work from home. You need to get people moving in the gta.

Anyways I don’t understand an outgoing prime minister making really any decisions at this point or having Photo ops and I have voted liberal for close to 30 years.

Personally, I wish the feds got out of the local infrastructure business and actually funded infrastructure relevant to the country. This is a lot more relevant nationally thany any subway will ever be in Toronto.

 

[Adjei]

That segment will likely need to be provincially led, or at the minimum a partnership between the feds/province with province offering important funding.

Yes and with the long timelines with these projects any future extensions needs to be studied now so that when funding is available, they can be ready to be built.

 

[sixrings]

Personally, I wish the feds got out of the local infrastructure business and actually funded infrastructure relevant to the country. This is a lot more relevant nationally thany any subway will ever be in Toronto.

Then there would be zero major transit additions to any major city in the country.

 

[crs1026]

I'm not convinced this is true for a broad swathe of the electorate.

Well, even Dofo recognised the political value in building transit, and doing so hasn't hurt his ratings any. His constituents certainly value their cars, but the premise that government invest in other modes is also pretty well accepted in Southern Ontario. Quebec politicians are even more vocal, which presumably indicates grassroots acceptance if not demand.

Most urban drivers in the Corridor experience highway congestion regularly and recognize that transit can improve that. While not everyone in the Corridor takes the train, VIA's Corridor brand is well recognised, and I bet most people can name a family member or friend who has taken a train within recent memory. And a great many will say that train service ought to be a lot better.

Certainly many outside the Corridor will see this as a boondoggle and a bit of Disney. But don't underestimate how many have travelled overseas and understand that Canada is way behind the curve train-wise. And in pure populatio and voter numbers, O-Q way outnumbers the regions that do not see need for a fast train..

I expect many Corridor residents may question the pricetag and the need for a high end solution. Especially when the price cannot be stated with certainty. But enough will want something done to make it compelling for all parties to promise to do aomething.

- Paul

 

[nfitz]

Then there would be zero major transit additions to any major city in the country.

I don't recall any major federal contributions to transit before Harper. It's a relatively new thing.

 

[kEiThZ]

Then there would be zero major transit additions to any major city in the country.

I'm okay with it. I don't see why federal taxpayers are obligated to help you get to work faster, if your provincial and municipal governments don't think it's important to do the same.

That said, I don't buy that transit construction would come to a halt without federal funding. Which is a measly $3B/yr spread across the whole country.

 

[chrisw]

Which is a measly $3B/yr spread across the whole country.

That's $30B or $90B of projects over the next 10 years at 33%.

Yes, that's roughly what's being built in the GTA currently but a lot of that is already funded.

 

[sixrings]

I'm okay with it. I don't see why federal taxpayers are obligated to help you get to work faster, if your provincial and municipal governments don't think it's important to do the same.

That said, I don't buy that transit construction would come to a halt without federal funding. Which is a measly $3B/yr spread across the whole country.

I'm okay with it. I don't see why federal taxpayers are obligated to help you get to work faster, if your provincial and municipal governments don't think it's important to do the same.

That said, I don't buy that transit construction would come to a halt without federal funding. Which is a measly $3B/yr spread across the whole country.

The feds match the province. As for the cities. Every city cries poor now.

But there’s a way higher percentage of Canadians that will ride these transit lines then will ever use this fancy train.

Also let’s not kid ourselves this train is there to help torontonians get to their Ottawa or Montreal work meeting faster. And vice versa.

 

[sixrings]

Well, even Dofo recognised the political value in building transit, and doing so hasn't hurt his ratings any. His constituents certainly value their cars, but the premise that government invest in other modes is also pretty well accepted in Southern Ontario. Quebec politicians are even more vocal, which presumably indicates grassroots acceptance if not demand.

Most urban drivers in the Corridor experience highway congestion regularly and recognize that transit can improve that. While not everyone in the Corridor takes the train, VIA's Corridor brand is well recognised, and I bet most people can name a family member or friend who has taken a train within recent memory. And a great many will say that train service ought to be a lot better.

Certainly many outside the Corridor will see this as a boondoggle and a bit of Disney. But don't underestimate how many have travelled overseas and understand that Canada is way behind the curve train-wise. And in pure populatio and voter numbers, O-Q way outnumbers the regions that do not see need for a fast train..

I expect many Corridor residents may question the pricetag and the need for a high end solution. Especially when the price cannot be stated with certainty. But enough will want something done to make it compelling for all parties to promise to do aomething.

- Paul

I’ve travelled over seas. Ive seen these trains. But you’re ignoring the fact that in most countries cities are not this far apart. We live in a large country. That is the problem.

 

[leopetr]

I don't recall any major federal contributions to transit before Harper. It's a relatively new thing.

The Martin government contributed 33% to fund the Yonge-University-Spadina Subway Extension to Vaughan Metropolitan Centre

 

[kEiThZ]

I’ve travelled over seas. Ive seen these trains. But you’re ignoring the fact that in most countries cities are not this far apart. We live in a large country. That is the problem.

Really? I don't even have to Google to know this. Barcelona to Madrid and Tokyo to Osaka are about as far apart as Toronto-Montreal. I don't think you've traveled as much as you think.

 

[kEiThZ]

But there’s a way higher percentage of Canadians that will ride these transit lines then will ever use this fancy train.

Not many people will take a ferry from Nova Scotia to Newfoundland. And only a small percentage of people fly. The federal government still provides and maintains all those services.

Also let’s not kid ourselves this train is there to help torontonians get to their Ottawa or Montreal work meeting faster. And vice versa.

Yes. And that's what drives this economy. You're catching on.