picard102
Senior Member
Guess that second amendment isn't really all that it's set out to be.
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Richard White
Senior Member
Rumor has it that Trump intends to send active duty Marines to LA.
Under normal circumstances this would get the president charged with Treason but with Trump.. he will be allowed to do whatever he wants.
I wonder though.. if Trump does send active duty troops to LA based on his crusade against immigrants, what will the response be in Washington.
You may have hardcore GOP politicians backing him but I can't see using active duty troops against the US population going over well.
Under normal circumstances this would get the president charged with Treason but with Trump.. he will be allowed to do whatever he wants.
I wonder though.. if Trump does send active duty troops to LA based on his crusade against immigrants, what will the response be in Washington.
You may have hardcore GOP politicians backing him but I can't see using active duty troops against the US population going over well.
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
Gavin Newsom is threatening to withhold California's federal taxes, to sue the federal government over deploying the National Guard to Los Angeles over the riots, and is daring Tom Homan to arrest him.
thettctransitfanatic
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guavadelic
Active Member
And Trump was partying it up at the UFC in New Jersey last night after sending in the National Guard to LA. The entire U.S. is one big disfunctional reality TV show now.
UtakataNoAnnex
Superstar
Makes me wonder how close this administration is to putting a bullet into a public official to set an example. /bleh
lenaitch
Senior Member
Domestic deployment of military and/or federalizing National Guard personnel without the request or approval of a state governor is unusual, but is legal and has precedent. It was done during desegregation in the 1950s and I believe during the 'George Floyd' protests in 2020. The federal Posse Comitatus Act sets out the conditions. There is also a federal Insurrections Act.
I'm not sure what it would take for Republican in Congress to find a hill to die on. They've had a number of opportunities.
Richard White
Senior Member
Midterms are next year with the potential for a major defeat in the both the Senate and Houee for the GOP.
If Trump uses the military against the US Populace and public opinion turns they may act.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
To many American minds, it's not the US populace. To conservatives, Trump's using the military against people who cannot vote, are not entitled to be in the country, and who should just go home.
And to Trump's credit, the number of illegal crossings into the USA are at historical lows. The US populace may well consider the harsh medicine worth it. If only Biden had taken the border this seriously, Trump may have lost.
Illegal border crossings at record lows as Trump crackdown spreads
Trump has packed detention centers with immigrants and is sending the National Guard troops to LA to crack down on those protesting the detentions.
www.usatoday.com
Richard White
Senior Member
To many American minds, it's not the US populace. To conservatives, Trump's using the military against people who cannot vote, are not entitled to be in the country, and who should just go home.
And to Trump's credit, the number of illegal crossings into the USA are at historical lows. The US populace may well consider the harsh medicine worth it. If only Biden had taken the border this seriously, Trump may have lost.
Illegal border crossings at record lows as Trump crackdown spreads
Trump has packed detention centers with immigrants and is sending the National Guard troops to LA to crack down on those protesting the detentions.www.usatoday.com
It won't happen I know but realistically the only way real change will be enacted is when the US becomes a dictatorship and gets invaded because of it like Libya, Serbia, Iraq and so many others.
Trump is giving off serious dictator vibes and makes Nixon look good.
PL1
Senior Member
Trump scuttled a Jan 2024 bipartisan bill on immigration and border security so that he could campaign on this
UtakataNoAnnex
Superstar
It's interesting to note that legitimate border crossings are going down too. I wonder why...To many American minds, it's not the US populace. To conservatives, Trump's using the military against people who cannot vote, are not entitled to be in the country, and who should just go home.
And to Trump's credit, the number of illegal crossings into the USA are at historical lows. The US populace may well consider the harsh medicine worth it. If only Biden had taken the border this seriously, Trump may have lost.
Illegal border crossings at record lows as Trump crackdown spreads
Trump has packed detention centers with immigrants and is sending the National Guard troops to LA to crack down on those protesting the detentions.www.usatoday.com
...I mean, it's almost like refugees who where fleeing the Nazis in WW2 most likely did not want to cross over into Germany to get away. Immigration "problem" solved! /s
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Let's be clear, that bill was not needed. None of what Trump has done to successful essentially eliminate illegal border crossings and to identify, detain and deport people residing illegally in the USA was done through legislation. Everything Trump is doing, Biden could have done without that Jan 2024 bipartisan bill. And Biden knew it, but still chose the slow legislative route through Congress. Which begs the question, knowing how long it takes to get any legislation through Congress, why didn't Biden present his bipartisan bill on immigration and border security in Jan 2022, rather than 2024?
Admiral Beez
Superstar
That's intentional. Much to the worry of those in the tourism trade, the US administration does not want visitors of any sort. "It's not a big deal".
Let's not go full Godwin just yet. Yes, there are genuine UN Convention Refugees that deserve hearings, but those who've overstayed their visas or otherwise entered the US illegally are not fleeing state-sponsored genocide. They're by far economic migrants from countries that have gone to shite. When my family decided to leave a failing UK, my Dad applied at the Canadian High Commission in London and waited his turn. That's how it's done. And if Canada had rejected us, we would have stayed in the UK, or considered applying to other countries. So, if the US rejects your, and perhaps every LATAM's application, that's their right, and you have no right to enter the US illegally because you don't like their decision.
UtakataNoAnnex
Superstar
Godwin does not have an issue of calling things out for what they are, particularly of late...
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...that said, you are splitting hairs here. That is, the gist is that most people are likely terrified of entering the US currently unless they have to or are very desperate to, legally, illegally or otherwise. Your post has confirmed as much. And that's not really a reflection of better border security, rather an administration that's demonstratively hostile to migrants. While you are free to claim that's effective in stemming migration...it does not take away the fact that they are doing so in the most inhumane, unethical and duplicitous manner. Just saying.