[Admiral Beez]

For profit prisons..... a very real U.S. phenomenon.

Apparently El Salvador's leadership would like in on the scheme.

I don't want the US system in Canada, but when we read how violent offenders in Canada are often on conditional release for prior, often multiple offenses I want to dramatically increase our prison system. It's a big country, let's put a super max in Herst, ON. If you a sh#t, IDC about your visitors living nearby. Why does it take Trump's arrival for Canada to take things seriously?

 

[Admiral Beez]

Tesla sales are plunging around the world: Is this just a Musk problem?

Tesla sales in Europe are plummeting fast. Electrek reports that, year over year, sales are down 18 percent in the United Kingdom, 31 percent in Portugal, more than 40 percent in Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the Netherlands, 63 percent in France, and a whopping 75 percent in Spain. Overall, the takeaway seems to be that Europeans want Elon Musk and his fancy car company to fuck right off.

Tesla does not release sales figures for Canada but rebate data from Transport Canada’s zero-emission vehicle program suggest about 33,000 Teslas received rebates in the nine months to Dec. 31. On a per-month basis, that is down about 15 per cent compared to the approximately 50,000 Teslas that received the rebates in the full 2023-2024 fiscal year.

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Elon Musk tightens grip on gov’t, sparking ‘coup’ accusations​

Tech billionaire has upended the federal bureaucracy in the two weeks since US President Donald Trump took office.







See https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2025/2/4/elon-musk-accused-of-coup-running-shadow-govt-as-doge-tightens-grip

How's Tesla doing within the category? If EV sales are down, then this makes sense.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

I don't want the US system in Canada, but when we read how violent offenders in Canada are often on conditional release for prior, often multiple offenses I want to dramatically increase our prison system. It's a big country, let's put a super max in Herst, ON. If you a sh#t, IDC about your visitors living nearby. Why does it take Trump's arrival for Canada to take things seriously?

...a weird ironic conversation to have when a convicted felon sits in the highest office calling the shots.

 

[Northern Light]

I don't want the US system in Canada, but when we read how violent offenders in Canada are often on conditional release for prior, often multiple offenses I want to dramatically increase our prison system. It's a big country, let's put a super max in Herst, ON. If you a sh#t, IDC about your visitors living nearby. Why does it take Trump's arrival for Canada to take things seriously?

Disagree.

Our incarceration rate is not out of line with OECD norms, nor is our violent crime rate.

Murderers don't get parole until 25 years * ( ^ a BC judge actually just ruled this is unconstitutional citing the proportionality clause and noting no variation between a serial killer's sentence and a first time offender who had no history of violence).

Sure, there have been a few high profile 'what were they thinking cases'....... but that's bound to happen in a system that has upwards of 40,000 in it (provincial + feds) on any given day, the odd one is going to happen.

For the most part, that has nothing to do with the need for another high security prison.

Indeed the most crowded jails are provincial remand facilities holding people who haven't yet been convicted of the offenses for which they are being held.

When one considers recidivism numbers from the provincial systems (remand + sentences less than 2 years)..... at a whopping 50%, it bears further examination as to how we can get those numbers down.

Though, worth saying, the U.S. system produces a recidivism rate more than 50% above Canada's.

 

[Admiral Beez]

...a weird ironic conversation to have when a convicted felon sits in the highest office calling the shots.

The country's first POTUS was originally a treason-prone insurrectionist. Might as well have another.

 

[lenaitch]

I don't want the US system in Canada, but when we read how violent offenders in Canada are often on conditional release for prior, often multiple offenses I want to dramatically increase our prison system. It's a big country, let's put a super max in Herst, ON. If you a sh#t, IDC about your visitors living nearby. Why does it take Trump's arrival for Canada to take things seriously?

Two different but related issues. Pre-trial release is a justice system issue and impacts provincial correctional facilities. The prison system, for those actually sentenced (2 years +) is federal.

Ontario did have a privately-operated correctional facility. The Central North CC in Penetanguishene was privately operated when when it first opened in 2001 but the five-year contract was not renewed and it reverted to provincial control.

 

[zang]

I don't want the US system in Canada, but when we read how violent offenders in Canada are often on conditional release for prior, often multiple offenses I want to dramatically increase our prison system. It's a big country, let's put a super max in Herst, ON. If you a sh#t, IDC about your visitors living nearby. Why does it take Trump's arrival for Canada to take things seriously?

Unless I'm reading incorrectly, the stats from 2021 seem to show conditional releases in general (work, day parole, etc.) dropping quite a bit over the last decade.

2021 Corrections and Conditional Release Statistical Overview

This document provides a statistical overview of corrections and conditional release within a context of trends in crime and criminal justice.

www.publicsafety.gc.ca

Maybe released offenders are just getting more media attention because newsrooms have to compete harder and more sensationally for eyes?

 

[Towered]

I'm surprised nobody is discussing Trump's bombshell yesterday about the US taking over Gaza and kicking all the inhabitants out before massively rebuilding it...

 

[Richard White]

I'm surprised nobody is discussing Trump's bombshell yesterday about the US taking over Gaza and kicking all the inhabitants out before massively rebuilding it...

Didn't they try that in Iraq in the name of bringing peace, love and harmony to the middle east?

 

[afransen]

Didn't they try that in Iraq in the name of bringing peace, love and harmony to the middle east?

I don't think they tried ethnic cleansing in Iraq.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

I'm surprised nobody is discussing Trump's bombshell yesterday about the US taking over Gaza and kicking all the inhabitants out before massively rebuilding it...

So that's up to 4 new states that he want's to acquire. That is, Canada, Greenland, Panama and now Gaza. I hope they'll all vote blue... /s

 

[Northern Light]

I'm surprised nobody is discussing Trump's bombshell yesterday about the US taking over Gaza and kicking all the inhabitants out before massively rebuilding it...

I don't think anyone is treating it seriously.

This is the problem w/this administration. While they are doing some serious things that merit scrutiny, they are also burying media and the public with literally tonnes of nonsense; inflammatory trolling straight from the top.

That is, of course, intentional, such that while you are distracted talking about the latest missive on invading Greenland............you're not mentioning a private billionaire's tech team raiding reams of confidential, personal data from government databases.

While you're concerned about the price of avocados.......... you're missing the new road in Alaska to allow resource exploitation that will traverse sensitive habitat in protected parks.

The thing is, the sheer amount of 'stuff' spewed by this administration can make it a challenge to figure out what to take seriously, and what not to.

On Gaza, however, I think his comments can be dismissed in respect of the specifics and scale. Yet, they may still represent a general disposition towards same that is impactful.

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Relocating more than 2.5M people (to where?) is no small matter. That it would be profoundly unpopular throughout the Arab world, and not likely endorsed anywhere else........is equally important.

For clarity. Jordan, Lebanon and Syria still house large population's of Palestinian refugees, and have for decades and have never shown any willingness to support their integration into the domestic population.

Egypt has no such interest either.

 

[Mihairokov]

So that's up to 4 new states that he want's to acquire. That is, Canada, Greenland, Panama and now Gaza. I hope they'll all vote blue... /s

What makes you think any of them will get the right to vote?

The thing is, the sheer about of 'stuff' spewed by this administration can make it a challenge to figure out what to take seriously, and what not to.

This is the whole Bannon playbook, isn't it? Fill the newscycle with so much nonsense that people don't know up from down and it'll tire out the opposition. It's quite literally the fascist playbook. Of course they're going to redevelop Gaza into a resort-hotel destination. Of course they're sending arrested Americans to El Salvador. Of course they're sending immigrants to Gitmo. Of course they're invading Greenland. Of course they're dismantling the government from the inside. Of course they're sending US banks to Canada. It's tough to keep up and that's the point. It doesn't matter if any of it actually happens or not, and when/if it does happen people will be so distracted by something else it won't even register. Of course they're disbanding the Department of Education despite the fact they need Congress/House support. Does it even matter if they do or not? If people aren't outside experiencing these things then anything can happen to anyone. Is it legal? Who cares? The 20th century is surely over and we're far, far away from that hegemony.

 

[christiesplits]

Great editorial by the Guardian. The last sentence sums up the administration perfectly:

Mr Trump’s chaos isn’t confidence – it’s desperation. He’s trying to conjure power he doesn’t actually have. He is manufacturing a perception of dominance in the hope that Americans will simply accept it. The real danger is letting his illusion of power become reality.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Disagree.

Our incarceration rate is not out of line with OECD norms, nor is our violent crime rate.

Murderers don't get parole until 25 years * ( ^ a BC judge actually just ruled this is unconstitutional citing the proportionality clause and noting no variation between a serial killer's sentence and a first time offender who had no history of violence).

Sure, there have been a few high profile 'what were they thinking cases'....... but that's bound to happen in a system that has upwards of 40,000 in it (provincial + feds) on any given day, the odd one is going to happen.

For the most part, that has nothing to do with the need for another high security prison.

Indeed the most crowded jails are provincial remand facilities holding people who haven't yet been convicted of the offenses for which they are being held.

When one considers recidivism numbers from the provincial systems (remand + sentences less than 2 years)..... at a whopping 50%, it bears further examination as to how we can get those numbers down.

Though, worth saying, the U.S. system produces a recidivism rate more than 50% above Canada's.

The United States is home to the largest number of prisoners worldwide. Roughly 1.8 million people were incarcerated in the U.S. at the end of 2023. In China, the estimated prison population totaled to 1.69 million people that year. Other nations had far fewer prisoners.

Per capita, the USA is high.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_United_States_incarceration_rate_with_other_countries