[lenaitch]

Except that the camera system can't issue demerit points. So, drivers are already getting a "discount" over being caught by an officer. The question is though, why should anyone be given a margin of grace? Everyone driving on the road (legally) has been tested on and issued a license based on their ability to follow the rules of the road. A single warning first maybe, by email, automated phone call and mail seems more than reasonable. But why reduce fines? If someone commits theft under $1000, I don't personally think they should be allowed to keep some of it for themselves. The maximum speed limit is also not simultaneously the minimum. Even by driving the exact maximum, people know that is the maximum.

I don't know if Toronto's Automated Speed Enforcement cameras have a 'grace' margin, either baked in or by policy, but expecting an absolute accurate speed control by a driver is a bit unrealistic. Transport Canada - or the US DOT for that matter - do not have regulatory standards on speedometer accuracy. North American manufacturers use an SAE target as their benchmark:

"Manufacturers are guided by a standard set by the Society of Automotive Engineers known as J1226 Electric Speedometer Specification. At speeds above about 90 km/h the allowable range for speed is 4% of the highest reading shown on the speedometer."​

As for issuing warnings, I don't know if the technical aspects of the ASEs allow them to be networked and store incident data. Even if they are or could be, the legislation would have to allow increased fines for subsequent convictions (note, 'convictions', not incidents, so it would have to be a previous infraction where the fine was paid). Actions such as phone calls and letters sounds like an administrative nightmare. As far as I know, the MTO does not record email address of vehicle owners.

 

[txlseries4]

Crombie's resignation is far less surprising than her staying on given Paikin's and John Michael McGrath bits of knowledge they shared on the onpoli podcast.

edited down quotes from the recent episode (Youtube link):

SP: Joe Clark, got I think 66.9% of the vote at his leadership review. And he decided at that moment that that wasn't enough and that therefore he was resigning. [...] in doing so he set a precedent for future candidates.

JMM: Let's say [Crombie] wins in that 50 to 65% range where technically she's won and she's the leader, she would still have a substantial disaffected minority within her her party who would frankly still be there and still be loudly agitating to say that she was not the right person to lead them into the next election

 

[goreckm]

Police generally never enforce speeding within a certain margin of the maximum.

You can wall yourself off in an absolutist position, but if you try to understand and empathize with those who might not be so happy with these cameras, we might arrive at a solution that has more social license and is less likely to spark a backlash. This attitude is what will lead to Ford outright prohibiting speed cameras.

I want safer streets. Cameras are an inferior way to make streets safer. I'd rather solutions that actually worked rather than just angering a lot of people. Cameras have a place, which is deterring a small percentage of people egregiously breaking the speed limit despite the design of the roadway. If the design speed of the street results in a fine, that's unjust.

It's like putting a pull handle on a door that's actually a push and fining people for pulling on it, even if it says push in writing. If users are being punished for poor design, I don't think that's right.

I would say an absolutist position is being against speed cameras. At a certain point, you need to say, you can't go faster than X, as there will always be people which will test the limits. If you're not willing to go that far, why even have speed limits at all? It makes the act of getting a ticket subjective, which is never a good idea. Also, imagine the amount of money we can save by not producing all those useless signs, and reducing all the visual clutter.

 

[nightstreak]

Her overall vibe of Hazel/Doug Lite; wasn't one that appealed to me; she's always given me real estate agent vibes (apologies to the good agents out there, but in this case, not a compliment)

This. I got the same sense of slimy realtor, fake Liberal from Crombie.

I take for granted Nate is going to have another run at this, as he was instrumental in drumming up opposition.

I liked Nate, heck I voted for him in the last leadership review but his crybaby pouts for being left out of Carney’s cabinet showed me that he’s neither ready for leadership nor should be trusted with the role given he doesn’t understand that this is a team sport.

I wonder if anyone else will take a shot.

We can’t go into yet another election with a low tier politician. What happened to all the big guns? We need someone who can outwit Doug Ford, who can expertly expose his incompetence and how he’s hurt every day Ontarians with anti democratic self interested moves. Where’s our Gavin Newsom to Doug Ford’s Trump?

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

^An anti-trans/anti-homeless candidate running for the Libs is big fat no for me. So no Newsomites please! And thank you.

 

[guavadelic]

We can’t go into yet another election with a low tier politician. What happened to all the big guns? We need someone who can outwit Doug Ford, who can expertly expose his incompetence and how he’s hurt every day Ontarians with anti democratic self interested moves. Where’s our Gavin Newsom to Doug Ford’s Trump?

They don't exist. Nate's probably the best you're gonna get as far profile and name recognition. Crombie's replacement would be asked to lead the province's third party (by seats) for as much as 3 years. Not too attractive.

 

[afransen]

I would say an absolutist position is being against speed cameras. At a certain point, you need to say, you can't go faster than X, as there will always be people which will test the limits. If you're not willing to go that far, why even have speed limits at all? It makes the act of getting a ticket subjective, which is never a good idea. Also, imagine the amount of money we can save by not producing all those useless signs, and reducing all the visual clutter.

There is a difference in ticketing people for going 45 in a 40 vs 90 in a 40.