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christiesplits said:
Trudeau to make a press announcement at 10:45 am. It is expected he will ask the Governor General to prorogue parliament until March 24.
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Agreed. I think the Conservatives (and many Canadians) are going to be disappointed if they're looking for a snap election. I predict that Trudeau will resign, but stay until a new Liberal leader is chosen, with that leader staying as interim PM until the mandated election date in Oct 2025. Until that date, the NDP will continue to ensure that the Liberals survive any and each confidence vote in the House.
 
christiesplits said:
Trudeau to make a press announcement at 10:45 am. It is expected he will ask the Governor General to prorogue parliament until March 24.

www.cp24.com

‘Canadians deserve a real choice’: Justin Trudeau resigning, prorogues Parliament

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is stepping down as leader of the Liberal Party of Canada.
www.cp24.com www.cp24.com
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I really wish she would not permit the prorogation of parliament.

Having said that, how much of a leadership race can actually take place in 2 months?
 
Admiral Beez said:
Agreed. I think the Conservatives (and many Canadians) are going to be disappointed if they're looking for a snap election. I predict that Trudeau will resign, but stay until a new Liberal leader is chosen, with that leader staying as interim PM until the mandated election date in Oct 2025. Until that date, the NDP will continue to ensure that the Liberals survive any and each confidence vote in the House.
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If more polls come out consistently showing the NDP ahead of the Liberals, I suspect the NDP will pull the plug before October.
 
Richard White said:
I really wish she would not permit the prorogation of parliament.
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Harper set the precedent.
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Having said that, how much of a leadership race can actually take place in 2 months?
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They don't have to have the new elected leader in place in 2 months. The interim PM can run until the Oct 2025 election if necessary - which would be a fail on their part - but as long as the NDP keeps saying yes, they have until October 2025 to choose a new leader.
 
Admiral Beez said:
Harper set the precedent.
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Not exactly. Harper prorogued when the opposition parties united to said they were willing to form their own new government, which would mean there would be no new election, they would simply become the new majority.
Jean decided that was rather unprecedented, though it has happened before, but the best approach was not a new election but another attempt to govern.
 
LOL! He's suddenly interested in ranked ballots again now that he's heading out the door.
 
PinkLucy said:
His promise for electoral reform was the reason I supported him back then.
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Yes, though he is right that a change in electoral procedures of this magnitude can really only be brought in if there is a pretty unanimous consensus or, I suppose, if it was clearly a major election promise and it was clear that people had voted for Party X because they wanted the change.
 
vic said:
LOL! He's suddenly interested in ranked ballots again now that he's heading out the door.
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Liberals were always interested in ranked ballots. The opposition parties would not agree to it. Without them being on board, any change would follow endless whining about stolen elections.
 
DSCToronto said:
Yes, though he is right that a change in electoral procedures of this magnitude can really only be brought in if there is a pretty unanimous consensus or, I suppose, if it was clearly a major election promise and it was clear that people had voted for Party X because they wanted the change.
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He could have put an electoral reform bill onto the floor for an open vote. Had the Opposition declined to support it, Trudeau's conscious and record would be clear.
 
Admiral Beez said:
He could have put an electoral reform bill onto the floor for an open vote. Had the Opposition declined to support it, Trudeau's conscious and record would be clear.
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Yes, and no. Any (and I mean ANY) significant changes to an electoral system will not have credibility unless they are supported by MOST people. Yes, he could have proposed a new system and held a 'free vote' but IF this were passed by a narrow majority of most/all Liberals and a few NDP or Green votes it would have had no legitimacy. No other parties said they were in favour and even in a free vote I suspect the diktats of their party apparatus would have prevailed.
 
DSCToronto said:
Yes, and no. Any (and I mean ANY) significant changes to an electoral system will not have credibility unless they are supported by MOST people. Yes, he could have proposed a new system and held a 'free vote' but IF this were passed by a narrow majority of most/all Liberals and a few NDP or Green votes it would have had no legitimacy. No other parties said they were in favour and even in a free vote I suspect the diktats of their party apparatus would have prevailed.
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How did the Australians manage to switch from their FPTP system to ranked ballots? Can we learn and apply anything from Oz?
 
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Admiral Beez said:
How did the Australians manage to switch from their FPTP system to ranked ballots? Can we learn and apply anything from Oz?
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I don't think we need to look abroad. A law - any law - is passed by a majority of the members. That's how our system of representative democracy works. To demand some kind of super majority or some kind of plebiscite or referendum is not part of our system except in Constitutional matters.
 
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