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Doug Ford would claim that there’s a one square inch hole in the ceiling and declares the entire facility unsafe. This explains why aerial shots of the Ontario Science Centre can’t detect any holes even with heavy snowfall.

Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater!
 
I guess the engineers are just idiots then, no other explanation right?

yea, good thing we have excellent armchair engineers who love to be mad at their keyboard

Why must you both say extreme things while doing absolutely no research, even so much as reading through the thread properly, or reading the publicly available engineering report?

I happen to be an advocate of relocating the OSC; a controversial take here, but not as proposed by the Ford government, and not in the way the Ford government has done it.

We need to start from an honest position and assessment of the facts, not a contrived crisis.

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Let me help you catch up on the reality here.

The City of Toronto had a building inspector go over the building, as posted here, by me:


Lest clicking through prove too exhausting:

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You also needn't trust a City Inspector...........you could trust the original engineering report which did not recommend short term or permanent closure of the facility.

Here's a deep dive from Canadian Architect.


As someone very much open to moving the OSC..... I still find the manner of its closure contrived, and offensive.

That some people defend it reflexively without having given due attention to the actual reports (I've read the entire engineering report, did you?)......is disappointing.

Its ok not to know all the answers........but its not ok to pretend you have them when you don't.
 
...but, but those inspectors did all from their armchairs anyways. /s
 
I just pray this building will be taken over by a university or some other institution or corporation and be repaired and continue to be used.

I don't care if they build 90 story condos in all the parking lots. I don't even care if they demolish a bit of the lower more 'warehouse' looking buildings in the valley.

But please for the love of all things holy do not demolish the main buildings. It would be just criminal. I will literally hop the fences and chain myself to the doors if that happens.

😞
 
Why must you both say extreme things while doing absolutely no research, even so much as reading through the thread properly, or reading the publicly available engineering report?

I happen to be an advocate of relocating the OSC; a controversial take here, but not as proposed by the Ford government, and not in the way the Ford government has done it.

We need to start from an honest position and assessment of the facts, not a contrived crisis.

***

Let me help you catch up on the reality here.

The City of Toronto had a building inspector go over the building, as posted here, by me:


Lest clicking through prove too exhausting:

View attachment 632195

You also needn't trust a City Inspector...........you could trust the original engineering report which did not recommend short term or permanent closure of the facility.

Here's a deep dive from Canadian Architect.


As someone very much open to moving the OSC..... I still find the manner of its closure contrived, and offensive.

That some people defend it reflexively without having given due attention to the actual reports (I've read the entire engineering report, did you?)......is disappointing.

Its ok not to know all the answers........but its not ok to pretend you have them when you don't.
Mic drop.
 
Why must you both say extreme things while doing absolutely no research, even so much as reading through the thread properly, or reading the publicly available engineering report?
Sarcasm is hard to detect online, the engineers are not idiots.
But it's certainly not the gotcha moment people are making it out to be that it didn't collapse, because of course the roof hasn't collapsed as it was shored up.
 
I just pray this building will be taken over by a university or some other institution or corporation and be repaired and continue to be used.

I don't care if they build 90 story condos in all the parking lots. I don't even care if they demolish a bit of the lower more 'warehouse' looking buildings in the valley.

But please for the love of all things holy do not demolish the main buildings. It would be just criminal. I will literally hop the fences and chain myself to the doors if that happens.

😞
I’m holding out for an Aga Khan University campus!
 
Sarcasm is hard to detect online

Sure....

, the engineers are not idiots.

I got that this was sarcastic, but you were indicting others by suggesting that other posters here were questioning the expertise of an engineering firm without sufficient expertise or evidence.

But it's certainly not the gotcha moment people are making it out to be that it didn't collapse, because of course the roof hasn't collapsed as it was shored up.

Right, the gotcha isn't on the engineers the government hired, though, a careful review of what they wrote might infer a slight finger on the scale in the manner in which their findings were presented. Those engineers did not recommend closing the OSC. The government used their analysis as a pretext for closure. A pretext, that as I showed in my post was not justified when considered by more than one independent expert.

To bring this back, what the posters you were critiquing were suggesting is that there was no imminent risk of collapse, if the reasonable precautions (such as shoring) were implemented, which could have been done without the facility's total closure.

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Sure, some of those posts didn't offer the citations mine did, or maybe lacked some finesse.

But really, how many more Northern Lights can this forum handle. You'd all need to quit your day jobs to get through the posts. LOL
 
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