abovegrade
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My ultimate dream would be two branches, if feasible. One going down queensway/etobicoke and one going up dundas west/west end of toronto.
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Rainforest
Senior Member
I think the construction will be feasible, but not sure the resulting 50% capacity will be sufficient for either branch. OL is already watered down somewhat, with 100-m platforms instead of 150-m on the older TTC subway lines.
Rainforest
Senior Member
If this general idea of the route is selected, then I would rather stay on Dufferin till Eglinton. Dufferin is very busy there.
I understand that swinging from one arterial to another is a challenge, and the route has to take that into account.
Would consider going into a deep tunnel north of Eglinton, and veering west under the residential neighborhood between Glencairn and Lawrence. With the next station being at Keele & Lawrence, and oriented East-West. After that, turning from Lawrence to Jane should be easier, using Black Creek Dr that runs diagonally to both.
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micheal_can
Senior Member
FWIW, I think that the idea of it branching may be a good idea. Having one head to Mississauga and one heading to the airport would make sense,. It could follow the Queensway or Dundas to the Cookstown GO to build it to an intermodal station. I know, it being on the Milton line is going to make it hard pressed to fully be realized.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
I'm personally more partial to having the OL go out to Humber Bay and along the Queensway in some capacity (perhaps elevated along the Gardiner then up through Obico to meet Kipling?), and keep a Dufferin subway as a seperate line. Perhaps the Dufferin Subway could eventually serve the waterfront communities and loop back into downtown.
EnviroTO
Senior Member
I would vote for this westerly extension of the Ontario Line. Service Jameson and the south end of Roncesvalles, connect with services at Park Lawn, serve the core of the Queensway, and go direct to the airport hitting Etobicoke Centre and the highrise areas of the East and West Mall along 427.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Another idea is to to keep OL heading to the airport with no branches And then have another line, Queensway/King//Kingston Rd Or, you take the OL to the Queensway and that other line I suggest it goes north to the airport.
Natika33
Active Member
I do like the idea of the Ontario Line eventually becoming a loop line as shown in full when I clicked on your linked map.
Timing & capacity-wise though, I think a subway on Dufferin needs to be prioritized sooner rather than later, either as a separate line, or as an Ontario line branch/extension.
micheal_can
Senior Member
This is my idea of extensions. As I mentioned, if the goal is branches, extending OL to Cooksville Go, and then have a separate line running along King with an eastern section along Kingston Rd, and a western extension going to the airport, this would have a rapid transit line running under the busiest streetcar line.
CapitalSeven
Senior Member
Beats me why Toronto wants to build subways under streetcar lines, thus making those streets a mess for a decade then duplicating the routes. I still think the Ontario line should have run under Wellington and Front. Leave King Alone!
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
'Streetcars and subway-like rapid transit lines serve different roles in urban transit: streetcars are needed for their closely spaced, accessible stops in dense neighborhoods and higher ridership potential on surface routes, whereas rapid transit lines provide higher speeds and capacity over longer distances. Streetcars offer a more comfortable, accessible, and efficient ride on busy city streets, featuring near level boarding and a smoother ride than buses, making them ideal for connecting communities, even when operating in mixed traffic or with priority lanes."'
The problem is that Toronto has currently the slowest tram or streetcar network in the world. See the video at https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/ttc-streetcar-network.27667/post-2260454 for why. It can be better, if the politicians, bureaucrats and others can remedy it.
The problem is that Toronto has currently the slowest tram or streetcar network in the world. See the video at https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/ttc-streetcar-network.27667/post-2260454 for why. It can be better, if the politicians, bureaucrats and others can remedy it.
nfitz
Superstar
I don't believe that's correct.
That discussion and study discussed didn't include any other comparable North American systems. And wasn't particularly scientific.
Here's a real scientific peer-reviewed paper from 2013 where the fasted of the 5 US systems that were examined was 11.3 km/hr. The slowest was 6.6 km/hr
Monarch Butterfly
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nfitz
Superstar
My point was that there was no comparable North American systems.
And you have just provided a table with zero other North American systems. And yet our speed is one of the fastest if you look at those 5 North American systems!
With all the traffic growth and densification around South Lake Union, do you think that Seattle streetcar is now faster than it used to be? I can't say I'm overly familiar with the others.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Who really cares about North American (read US) systems? They're borderline irrelevant in scale and other metrics. Comparing yourself to the bottom of the barrel is counterproductive. We beat Little Rock, AR - a 4 mi system with 15 stops - you want a prize for that? Even New Orleans, the biggest system on that list - is 1/4 the size (by system length or number stops) of the TTC network.
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