TransitBart
Senior Member
I hope this government gets rid of the terrible 'three men in a bathtub trillium' logo that the Liberals felt free to play with. I think those iconic symbols are bigger than governments.
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AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Agreed - though I have some doubts as to whether the wisdom exists to readopt the old, stately logo.
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BurlOak
Senior Member
Which old one?
2006
TransitBart
Senior Member
1972. I don’t think the Davis version required any Liberal tinkering. I didn’t know of the 1994, nor 2002 revisions until now. The 2006 logo is dreadful and represents Liberal attempts to erase memory of what preceded them. Even a government as ballsy as “the Harper government” didn’t have the courage to play with the Canada wordmark. This logo should also be untouchable.Which old one?
2006
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BurlOak
Senior Member
Harper did change the National Anthem though. No, that was the Liberals too.
TransitBart
Senior Member
‘Twas. That I feel less strongly about. Tinkering with iconic visual symbols is a no no. Updating wording - I’ll never remember it - it’s not the version burned into my skull - in the name of gender balance is fine.
@BurlOak , although both situations involve changes to important symbols of government, one was political re-branding to suit a government or party of the day, and one was a change - the anthem - which it is hard to see as related to any party's brand but does reflect our society.
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TransitBart
Senior Member
I miss this Ontario. I think it was noticeably better run than today’s. Less fanfare and more ‘just getting on with it’. I would not roll the clock back on where today’s society is in any manner and one cannot argue with the current dynamism of Toronto. But this was a more confident time. People felt good about the world.
TransitBart
Senior Member
This version is much better than the crap the Peterson government toned it down with, but already a sad second to the first version which was more dynamic again. They re-did the commercial each year for a decade and this has more restrained language and music than the first.
The first started more confidently.
Start at the dawn of a new day
Feelin’ the sun shining strong
Follow the trails where they’re leading you
And discover a place you belong
[note - even 30 years back we were emphasizing an inclusive Ontario]
[chrous]
In Ontario... etc etc.
This was noticeably better than “Ca-na-da now we are twenty million...We love thee...”
Thinking about it, “Ontario -Yours to Discover” was an awesome advertising slogan.
The first started more confidently.
Start at the dawn of a new day
Feelin’ the sun shining strong
Follow the trails where they’re leading you
And discover a place you belong
[note - even 30 years back we were emphasizing an inclusive Ontario]
[chrous]
In Ontario... etc etc.
This was noticeably better than “Ca-na-da now we are twenty million...We love thee...”
Thinking about it, “Ontario -Yours to Discover” was an awesome advertising slogan.
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BurlOak
Senior Member
- I tried to lighten up the blue a bit - to more like the Maple Leafs, or to represent water. The green and gold are official Ontario colours (although I don't really know this from seeing existing flag or teams - such as in Canada games or Brier). The red is from the old flag.
- The crown represents our Monarchy, and also King's highway system (around since the 1930's) which connects Ontarians.
- The 3 Maple Leaves represent the old flag (and has been on coat of arms for over 100 years).
- The Trillium is the symbol of Ontario for the past 50 years (actually, since 1937).
lenaitch
Senior Member
I won't bother embarking on whether we need a new flag and/or should we maintain a connection with the Crown (not a provincial issue anyway) but the problem with trying to come up with any design would be, since bureaucrats would be involved, every single group will want to be represented. Simply as an example, your proposal has no aboriginal reference. We seem to have d/evolved to the point that if something doesn't reference me or speak to me then it therefore offensive to me.
I recall reading an article about the development of the Canadian flag. There are many aspects of heraldry and vexillology that I don't understand (ok, most aspects) but the logic of the ultimate design made sense when explained.
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Johnny Au
Superstar
For the truly Regressive Conservative flag, replace Queen Elizabeth II with the mug of Don Cherry.
It will be nicknamed "Old Sour Grapes."
JasonParis
Moderator
Way too busy.
I'm in suppot of ON adopting a new flag, but don't see that coming from this government.
I too would be very happy though if the government reverted back from its "three men in a hottub logo" immediately.
ShonTron
Moderator
If Ontario were to get a new flag, and I like the idea of a proper provincial flag I'd like something simple.
If I was forced to come up with something, I'd take the Pearson Pennant, move the two blue bars from vertical to horizontal, representing the Great Lakes/St. Lawrence and Hudson Bay/James Bay, to represent north and south. The triple maple leaf (often used to represent three founding peoples - First Nations, French and British) would come from the provincial crest, rather than the style used in the proposed national flag (which is now the logo of Dominion City Brewery in Ottawa).
The best US state flags are either simple and distinctive, or just very distinctive. Texas, New Mexico, South Carolina, and Colorado do simple and recognizable well (it's hard to beat New Mexico's). Maryland and Arizona are also very distinctive (though both are a bit busy) and they are very popular. California's is at least rooted in historical precedent.
If I was forced to come up with something, I'd take the Pearson Pennant, move the two blue bars from vertical to horizontal, representing the Great Lakes/St. Lawrence and Hudson Bay/James Bay, to represent north and south. The triple maple leaf (often used to represent three founding peoples - First Nations, French and British) would come from the provincial crest, rather than the style used in the proposed national flag (which is now the logo of Dominion City Brewery in Ottawa).
The best US state flags are either simple and distinctive, or just very distinctive. Texas, New Mexico, South Carolina, and Colorado do simple and recognizable well (it's hard to beat New Mexico's). Maryland and Arizona are also very distinctive (though both are a bit busy) and they are very popular. California's is at least rooted in historical precedent.
44 North
Senior Member
Colorado's I think is a bit tacky, just because it has a "C" emblazoned within it. But like your idea of putting Pearson's vertical bars as horizontal to mimic the north and south waters forming our border.
What do you guys think of Ontario's Coat of Arms...would that be appropriate to fit in a flag? I just started sketching something out, and I really like the crest. Think it could work. Having trouble figuring whether a trillium should be included. Also would a medicine wheel make a good de facto representation of First Nations people? Was thinking the flag of the Iroquois Confederacy, which could arguably tie into US-Can relations, but I guess that excludes FN people from the rest of the prov.
*k, sketched this out. Does the crest and organic shapes of animals make it too busy? One thing I like about Canada's flag is the geometric simplicity. A kid could draw it, and it's easily digitized.
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