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Okay. I know we've been through this before, but I'm still stuck on this one. It's been many years since I lived in Ottawa (and I loved every minute of it when I did), but the congestion in the downtown core was always the bane of the Transitway. Every rush hour, there was no point being on wheels downtown, public or private. You just wanted to get out and walk.

So how is it that a LRT that, for most of its length, seems to run more like an interurban train, with long, long gaps betwen stations, supposed to transition into a mixed-traffic gridlock situation, and still work? Won't it be like forcing a GO Train to run along Queen Street West for a couple of kilometers before popping back onto the Lakeshore line?
 
^It will likely be fine at first. It will only be one line and it is only going to be the last 6 or 7 stations that are in a mixed traffic situation. Through in a few ad hoc fixes such as signal priority and maybe even its own ROW and it could run smoothly.

But I do agree with your point that once another line is built and ridership greatly increases, there are going to be a lot of issues. This seems to be one of the biggest criticisms of the plan. A number of groups and people have suggested the obvious, a tunneled section starting roughly around Lebreton Flats. From the point of view of system efficiency, it makes sense. Politically though, the additional cost of a tunnel to the project would probably ensure that the line would never be built.
 
^^ Good point. It is always impressive to see 30 buses lined up along each Slate and Albert. Most people know to stay off the streets. I think the Jam is from the number of buses trying to pick up very few people at the 3 major stops (3 each way). The buses are queued up waiting for their turn to pick up passengers.

They are talking about making changes the transitway architecture. Instead of a star system they will move to a hub-and-spoke model. So, I will not longer be able to travel downtown on an express bus from Kanata. I will catch a local to the transitway then pick up a large articulated along the transitway. These will be running every 2.5 - 5 minutes during rush hours. That should improve some efficiencies downtown.

Calgary has a high volume systems like what Ottawa is proposing and they run it along the street.
 
Mayor sticks to guns as LRT vote looms
By Ottawa Business Journal Staff
Mon, Jun 19, 2006 12:00 AM EST


The City of Ottawa unveiled its light rail transit plan to councillors and the general public last week, but the plan had scarcely been introduced when Mayor Bob Chiarelli appeared to contradict himself.

"We're looking forward, very very much, to the public open houses, the consultation process, the tough questioning we're going to get from councillors," he said in a speech during an open house at city hall, adding that different stages of the plan have collectively passed through 35 council votes.

"And it's carried every one of those votes, and every one of them has been very hotly debated with a lot of tough questioning from council, and that's the way it should be," he said. "Something that's this important needs to go through the mill, and needs to be assessed from every possible angle before we proceed."

Mr. Chiarelli then immediately dismissed questions from journalists as to whether the project could end up topping $1 billion, a number that's been cited by rival politicians and community groups alike.

"It's absolutely incorrect, and it's totally politicizing the issue to use those types of untrue numbers," said Mr. Chiarelli, when asked about added costs (the total jumped from $729 million to $778 million in the past week alone). That's not including additional costs like the $24-million Barrhaven extension, or over $220 million in maintenance costs to be paid to the winning consortium, the Siemens-PCL/Dufferin Team.

The LRT plan has been subject to unfair scrutiny not applied to other projects across the board, he said.

"When we cost the building of a road, we don't include the cost of snowplows, snow removal, and the cost of regular maintenance for the next 20 years," he said. "That's what people are trying to do here, and that's just plain unfair, unreasonable, and politicizing the issue."

Chiarelli said 95 per cent of the project will be paid for without Ottawa tax dollars, as the federal and provincial governments are providing $400 million with the city's share to be handled by provincial gas tax transfer revenues.

But statements like that are what makes some local business leaders, especially development people like Ottawa Building Owners and Managers Association (BOMA) president Ian Fisher, nervous. He said the lack of details within the city's presentation this week leaves the city in an extremely tough spot negotiations-wise, especially the uncertainty surrounding a proposed station at the University of Ottawa.

"It's still not a firm deal, and it seems unusual to not have all of the pieces sewn up," he said. "Because that changes your ability to negotiate if you need it (the U of O station), so I think the city has done themselves a disservice just from a negotiations standpoint.

"It's been a very interesting week just to see the details, and I use details in quotation marks," he continued. "(The information provided last week) doesn't add much clarity to the financial issue, there's still some uncertainty, and from BOMA's point of view there are members who are very concerned.

"To me anything over $400 million is coming out of the city, and if it's coming out of development charges then it's going to be a trade off for builders."

Shirley Westeinde of the Westeinde Group, however, said the time for questioning is long over. She says the process has dragged on for such an extended period, and has undergone such a draconian public consultation process, that most criticisms right now are moot.

"All of this stuff should have come out a year or so ago when they called tenders," she said, adding that delaying the project only adds to the expense. "The submissions have already been made, and a lot of time effort and money spent, so why are we now questioning the east west, north south routes – it doesn't make any sense to me.

"It's really past the point of financially making sense to change this."

But Mr. Fisher said numbers tossed out by the city, such as an $80-million cost overrun if the project is delayed, are bogus. "I think the number of $80 million is being used as a scare tactic," he said. "I didn't see any substantiation of that, and I wouldn't commit out of fear of that number."

The plan as presented last week will be mulled by council and put to a vote in mid-July. Gloucester-Southgate Coun. Diane Deans said councilors haven't been given nearly enough time or details to make an informed decision.

"I didn't feel that I was given enough information to make a decision of that magnitude," she said. "I've made it very clear to the city manager (Kent Kirkpatrick) that I've felt the info given to council at this point is insufficient to make a decision.

"And to his credit, the city manager did meet with me for an hour and a half, and he's promised to get me what I need."

Details like ridership projections, a breakdown of the value engineering, the original proposal call, and the original bid are all necessary before a decision is made, she said.

Presented last week was the proposed north-south line expected to connect the University of Ottawa, Rideau Centre, the downtown core and Carleton University with Riverside South and the Barrhaven Town Centre.

The proposed route is expected to be 29.4 kilometres long and supported 22 electrified LRT vehicles, along with 23 stations and three new park-and-ride facilities. The city says it expects 3,100 direct construction-related new jobs from the project, and another 5,500 jobs indirectly throughout the planned 40-month construction process.

Mr. Chiarelli said building the north-south route first, instead of a Kanata-to-Orleans route, is practical and makes sense.

"We already have a billion dollars invested in east-west transit," he said. "North-south has not had much transit. So, for many reasons, it was right to start and not the least of which is that we have a proven pilot project in the north-south at the present time."
 
There is a great deal of controversy here in Ottawa over Light Rail priorities. The City wants and has tendered for a North/South rail to a fast growing community called Barrhaven. They want to influence its development and offer it better transit. Right now it has around 75K people and no four lane roads.

Many believe that East-West is the way to go because of the population distribution.

I like the idea of diesel but to stop the line at bronson is stupid. People will not transfer to another form of transit when they are 5-10 blocks from the office.



Mayoral candidate says diesel trains the way to go
Patrick Dare, Ottawa Citizen
Published: Thursday, June 22, 2006

Mayoral candidate Alex Munter says Ottawa should go with a diesel light-rail system rather than an electric one, saving taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars.

Walking off Ottawa’s current north-south O-Train at Greenboro Station this afternoon, Mr. Munter said city council, under the leadership of incumbent Mayor Bob Chiarelli, is about to bring on "Ottawa’s Mirabel" if it approves the proposed electrified rail system from the University of Ottawa to the Barrhaven town centre, a project that will cost something approaching $1 billion.

By going to the much cheaper diesel system, the city would be able to extend the north-south system quickly and start an east-west rail line in 2008, sai
 
So how would you characterise this system? Is this a big streetcar or a small regional rail system?
 
It seems rather close to a streetcar network one might have seen in early 20th century North American cities. I would suggest that as it grows over time it might become something more like a regional rail system but given that it is being designed specifically for Light Rail vehicles it will probably just become at most a really fast and efficient streetcar network that also serves distance satellite suburbs.
 
Right. Barrhaven = streetcar suburb?

But can an existing city BECOME a streetcar suburb, as opposed to a city springing up along a streetcar line?
 
Light Rail Transit Triggers New Urban Development
Posted by mcollins • OttawaStart RSS Feed

Mayor Bob Chiarelli today announced plans for a major new development along the new O-Train route at the Walkley Road station.


Mayor Bob Chiarelli today announced plans for a major new development along
the new O-Train route at the Walkley Road station.

The City has signed a Memorandum of Understanding with local real estate owner Anand
Aggarwal for the construction of a mixed-use development to be built on the Light
Rail Transit (LRT) route, which will include a fully integrated transit station at
ground level.

The development is still in its early stages and is subject to more community
consultation. The project will feature a mixture of retirement living residences, a
hotel, condos, and commercial, retail and amenity space. The project will transform
what is now a vacant industrial field into a vibrant community hub. This new project
is an example of the type of smart urban development the City is planning along the
O-Train route.

"This is a prime example of the kind of innovative urban development that Ottawa
residents can expect to see along the Light Rail Transit line," said Mayor
Chiarelli. "It will improve land values along the LRT line, while creating new jobs
and tax revenues for the City."

City commuters and future residents will be able to enjoy the benefits of boarding
the LRT in a convenient multipurpose setting, rather than at a stand-alone station.

"The City's plan to establish a Light Rail Transit line is what attracted us to this
location and made this a more appealing project," said Sandy Smallwood, the
project's development coordinator. "Our goal is to take full advantage of the new
transit system and link our facility to it in an exciting way."

Mayor Chiarelli confirmed that the developer has agreed to work closely with River
Ward Councillor Maria McRae and area residents to integrate the development
effectively into the community.

"I look forward to working with the community and the developer to create a project
we can all be proud of," said Councillor McRae.
 
Mr. Ottawa,

Thanks for the updates.

I've heard that there is to be a new route study considered; one going along Montreal Road. This route study is being carried out in part as serving the goals of the redevelopment of the the Rockliffe Air Force Base.

Canada Lands Corporation is about to acquire over 300 acres of the land (for $27 million) and will be converting it into a mixed-use community with housing for over 10,000 people. The O-Train route is being considered as part of the plan to reduce car use along that route and within that new community as it evolves.
 
Two interesting projects. Im not sure how the Walkley project will turn out given its in suburbia to begin with. Somehow I see it ending up as apartment blocks with big box style stores to create the mixed use aspect. Rockcliffe on the other hand could be interesting. Ill be curious to see how these turn out (if they get off the ground) and what mistakes they have learned from other TOD's and what mistakes they make themselves.
 
I find it amusing that the City of Ottawa decided to build a library away from the Otrain line in Greenboro becuase of the cost. Yet they expect others to make the stations "destinations". If a library is not a destination, what is?
 
If a library is not a destination, what is?
Library? Destination?
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