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I think everybody saying this has a fair point, but how many other cities have as much focus on the downtown and as big of a traffic problem?
Why does it matter? The fact remains that Toronto is (and will remain for the foreseeable future) moving faster than anyone else in North America.
I wish I could be optimistic about progress on the GO lines like you clearly are, but at least in the public realm there's virtually no information about where things are headed, and until those secret metrolinx plans are defined, pessimism is all i have room for.
The vision seems to be still relatively unchanged, just the timeline and initial scopes have been adjusted to better align with the constraints of reality.
I should also add, douge ford's obsession of cars gives me even less faith that go transit will continue to see outsized investment. But also political pressure to improve service rapidly.
Again, nobody in North America showers its transit networks with as much money as Ontario. Even if the current funding levels were to get cut in half, they would still be the envy of transit planners anywhere else in North America.
I get both of your statements above, and understand the idea of pushing back when the rhetoric the other way is a bit on the hyperbolas side ..... however...
I will offer that comparing to other North American cities as a whole, particularly meaning the U.S. and Canada just isn't great when, collectively, we've been laggards.
I didn‘t become a transit planner to despair about how far back we are compared to other parts of the world, but to be part of the change which is needed to catch up. As long as we move faster than our European peers (and trust me, our pace is unmatched in Europe), the gap will narrow - and that is what we should focus on…
New York City is the sole truly extensive system, with high ridership in the U.S., and yet has been notoriously unreliable with negative public perception as to its appearance and safety.

Chicago is also, relatively robust in heavy rail, but serious shortcomings on frequency, integration with METRA/PACE etc. and so on.

LA has been growing its core mass transit system by relative leaps and bounds, but that's from nearly non-existent and its ridership remains a non-factor in the LA modal share.
You see: we are the only Tier-1 city in North America which actually follows a continuous strategy of substantial investments and progress.
Narrowing the focus to GO for a moment, yes, there has been progress and many construction projects........but in reality, service is lower today (Lakeshore East and West) than it was in 2020 some 5 years ago.
This is actually a sign of progress, not regression: the price for having more services in the future is less services now, as the existing tracks need to be partially closed while they are upgraded and expanded, to accommodate much more trains than ever before. It‘s actually a really good sign that the Lakeshore corridors have become so indispensible that it has become unthinkable to close it for multiple months to completely rebuild it, like the Germans did with the „Riedbahn“ (main Frankfurt-Mannheim corridor) which was completely shut down for multiple months last year for a massive overhaul…
Off-peak service is notably better to Bramalea, but bare basics like weekend trains to K-W remain absent, while work on infill stations promised years ago, and at costs that are grossly excessive........is just barely beginning.
So I don't think its unfair for people to be disappointed and exasperated.

Lets be clear, if the last 5 years of actual service, as experienced by most riders was the bar, we would end up expecting virtually no improvement in the next 5.

While a good deal of that is poor project management/workflow, and some major progress has not yet been shown off, poor communication leaves only the negative impression of projects years overdue, and service sorely lacking.
A full transformation of an already substantial network takes incredibly long, not just here in Toronto, but also in Europe. The problem is not the pace of progress, but the unrealistic expectations which had previously been raised by overambitious timelines. The adjustments to scope and timelines to actually make them compatible with the political, fiscal, technological and engineering environment was an essential and overdue step we have yet to see at ALTO.
I would've actually agreed with you on this until ONxpress unravelled. Now it's hard to believe we're getting anything other than what we have now: Infrequent, commuter service that's inconsistently spread across its lines with big slow trains that drop you off in a giant parking lot.

It seems like that's all ML knows.
Only the Operations&Maintenance contract (i.e., the least relevant if the originally 3 contracts) with ONxpress has been cancelled, the rest of the project (and partnership!) is still proceeding, just on different timelines and staging…
 
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The vision seems to be still relatively unchanged, just the timeline and initial scopes have been adjusted to better align with the constraints of reality.
Respectfully, what vision? you mean the one some guy leaked in a discord chat ? Or the one that was aleggedly spoken of at some random conference in toronto? - my point is that we have no official communication, no official timeline, no official scope, etc. on the matter of go expansion, particularly since the nixing of go rer plans that unless you're an insider, the best we can do is speculate.


Now don't get me wrong. It is great to see our transit expansion, but I absolutly have higher expectations of our transit agencies, and I make no apologies for it. Too much money is at stake.

I mean, I look at how communication for o train airport expansion was handled near its opening. Practically weekly communication. Why are we not doing the same for finch and crosstown ? How about those SSE delays? We literally had ppl here sleuthing to figure out what's happening. Or what about hurontario delays ?

Theres a massive trust deficit with metrolinx coming from the public at large, and this could prove a huge problem if ever a politician comes along and says...we're done with wasting billions on transit that under delivers, lets build roads roads roads...and the public will eat it up.

So yes, doug ford, a highly opportunistic politician with next to no clear transit ideology most certainly does worry me.....


See his totally rational stance on bikes
 
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Thank you for reaching out to GO Transit regarding the operating hours of the Finch GO Bus Terminal waiting area.

We understand your concern about the waiting area now closing at 8:00 PM daily, especially since signage previously indicated a later closing time of 11:30 PM on weekdays. The change in hours is likely due to the terminal being unstaffed, which can affect how long certain facilities remain open. Unstaffed locations often operate with reduced hours to ensure safety and efficient use of resources.

We appreciate you bringing this to our attention. Your feedback has been shared with our facilities and operations team for review. We’re committed to providing safe and accessible service, and your input helps us improve.

Thank you for choosing GO transit for your travel needs.
 
Thank you for reaching out to GO Transit regarding the operating hours of the Finch GO Bus Terminal waiting area.

We understand your concern about the waiting area now closing at 8:00 PM daily, especially since signage previously indicated a later closing time of 11:30 PM on weekdays. The change in hours is likely due to the terminal being unstaffed, which can affect how long certain facilities remain open. Unstaffed locations often operate with reduced hours to ensure safety and efficient use of resources.

We appreciate you bringing this to our attention. Your feedback has been shared with our facilities and operations team for review. We’re committed to providing safe and accessible service, and your input helps us improve.

Thank you for choosing GO transit for your travel needs.
The homeless and drug situation has gotten really bad. The washrooms were under construction for almost a year.

Once the Yonge subway extension is built half of those buses won't be using the terminal anymore. It will mostly be GO buses.
 
It seems to me that with the government, someone who knows someone gets put into a high level position somewhere and makes decisions that benefits their own interests and awards contracts to companies who are not really qualified but know someone or has business relationships with that person.

And then it all goes to shit and they hire someone else who goes in a completely opposite direction. And then that lasts for a few years but in the end only the consultants and the designers get paid and nothing is ever built.
I think the moral of the story is becoming a consultant for Metrolinx is like a dream job. Just have to know the right people.
 
The Auditor General of Ontario will be doing an investigation in to how Mx picks locations for subway stations, examining both the YNSE and the Ontario Line.


Is this related to Thorncliffe Park station? Or just in general? Curious what originated this.
 
Is this related to Thorncliffe Park station? Or just in general? Curious what originated this.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Yonge North part was triggered by not proceeding with Cummer-Drewry while Royal Orchard and Clark were added back despite being previously excluded. Also heard there were some issues with certain stations (e.g. High Tech) being placed in areas with lower density (or density potential).
 
yea the ontario line inclusion doesnt exactly make sense? maybe they will be looking at how they decide placement and alignment of the route too?
The whole MSF yard thing from a few years back and the leslieville shared corridor?
 
yea the ontario line inclusion doesnt exactly make sense? maybe they will be looking at how they decide placement and alignment of the route too?
The whole MSF yard thing from a few years back and the leslieville shared corridor?
It might be a) to have a second point of comparison from the most recent examples, or b) to examine the OL in comparison to the DRL (“why more stations overall? Why move some?”).

More generally, it sounds like they’re trying to see why locations change so often. Both projects are from the Ford era, and (predecessors or otherwise) have seen substantial changes under his watch. It’s obvious that there isn’t much rhyme or reason to it in any case.
 

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