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just east of the creek said:
Very mixed opinions on this one, probably mirrored by the Bays very complicated history over 355 years, and how we view that history in today's norms. Outside of our larger urban areas and our anglo saxon heritage (Broadly Speaking) the loss of the Bay is not upsetting. The Bay retreated from its roots in most of Canada by the 1980"s and its history is not really viewed in a favourable light by those resident in the 99% of Canada that is not urbanized.
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Yep. Outside of the flagship stores, most Bay locations were extremely dated stores that felt like they were just for old people who were deeply brand-loyal. I remember my parents commenting on multiple occasions that the store in Kingston looked basically the same in the 2010s as it did in the 1980s. When I was younger, we'd often park there (cus it had a ton of parking) and walk through it to get to other better places in the mall, but rarely buy anything in The Bay itself, which I'd guess was also probably a lot of other people's relationship with The Bay.

When I moved to Toronto and discovered the Queen St store was a very different experience it was a big surprise. I'll miss the Queen St store to some extent, and the Stripes merch (which I hope will live on somehow) but not HBC as a whole.
 
^Interesting. Not to fuel speculation but I can see CT opening a new store on Queen to vacate the existing one at Bay/Dundas to advance to the next stage there. And whoever gets HBC may want to get them as well.
 
Tuscani01 said:
Paywalled, but CT is bidding on HBC's IP.

www.thestar.com

Canadian Tire bidding on Hudson’s Bay’s intellectual property, may include iconic stripes and logos

Canadian Tire Corp. has expressed interest in purchasing Hudson’s Bay’s intellectual property, which may include its iconic stripes and logos.
www.thestar.com www.thestar.com
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Get ready for Hudsons Bay pop stores inside Canadian Tire, ''The Bay Stripes collection by Canadian Tire'', and HBC Stripes items appearing at SportChek and Marks. Is my prediction.
 
rdaner said:
^Interesting. Not to fuel speculation but I can see CT opening a new store on Queen to vacate the existing one at Bay/Dundas to advance to the next stage there. And whoever gets HBC may want to get them as well.
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0% chance of that happening. If anything, CT would cease to have a location in this area completely.
 
lenaitch said:
Keep in mind that Canadian Tire Corp. owns a number of retail brands. It also owns 'CT REIT' which is a real estate trust. Maybe they want the properties simply as a landlord.
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CT is definitely bidding for the Hudson's Bay Co. Intellectual property.

I'm not certain if they are bidding for any of the leases.

The owned property at this point, isn't all that consequential.
 
Northern Light said:
CT is definitely bidding for the Hudson's Bay Co. Intellectual property.

I'm not certain if they are bidding for any of the leases.

The owned property at this point, isn't all that consequential.
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Not being a corporate-oriented person, what would be the 'intellectual property' of a retail business? My (very) basic understanding of intellectual property is things such as patents, copyrights, identity, etc. Do you suggest that CTC wants The Bay's brands, or are after its artifacts and artworks (nothing tied to real property)?
 
lenaitch said:
Not being a corporate-oriented person, what would be the 'intellectual property' of a retail business? My (very) basic understanding of intellectual property is things such as patents, copyrights, identity, etc. Do you suggest that CTC wants The Bay's brands, or are after its artifacts and artworks (nothing tied to real property)?
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Items in their IP would include: the name 'Hudson's Bay Company' and current logo/signs/variations for the web; 'The Bay' ( old yellow signage); they still have the Zellers name / logo etc. as well, and may or may not have some of the IP of other acquired brands over the years. (Simpsons, Woodwards, Robinsons and Morgans)

It would also include their various store brand names 'Governor's Table', 'Black Brown', 'Hudson North' 'Distinctly Home', 'Gluckstein' etc etc.

It would also include their signature stripes (point blankets and everything they stick those stripes on)

It would also include 'Bay Days' (sale/event/promotion names); any registered website domains, and any design patents they have on any store products.

And any jingles or slogans used in marketing in recent years.

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If 'The Tire' were not buying the leases and didn't want to operate stand-alone 'Bay' stores...... they could continue it as an online retailer, or make it a section on the Canadian Tire site, but keep the domain name and have it redirect to their site.

They could sell the striped blankets in store, and extend the stripes to a collection of their merch in several categories.

They could put some of the clothing brands into Marks or Sport Check etc.

They may also see value in resuscitating the retail in a new form, including any of other older nameplates for which HBC still has active patents/trademarks.
 
Northern Light said:
Items in their IP would include: the name 'Hudson's Bay Company' and current logo/signs/variations for the web; 'The Bay' ( old yellow signage); they still have the Zellers name / logo etc. as well, and may or may not have some of the IP of other acquired brands over the years. (Simpsons, Woodwards, Robinsons and Morgans)

It would also include their various store brand names 'Governor's Table', 'Black Brown', 'Hudson North' 'Distinctly Home', 'Gluckstein' etc etc.

It would also include their signature stripes (point blankets and everything they stick those stripes on)

It would also include 'Bay Days' (sale/event/promotion names); any registered website domains, and any design patents they have on any store products.

And any jingles or slogans used in marketing in recent years.

****

If 'The Tire' were not buying the leases and didn't want to operate stand-alone 'Bay' stores...... they could continue it as an online retailer, or make it a section on the Canadian Tire site, but keep the domain name and have it redirect to their site.

They could sell the striped blankets in store, and extend the stripes to a collection of their merch in several categories.

They could put some of the clothing brands into Marks or Sport Check etc.

They may also see value in resuscitating the retail in a new form, including any of other older nameplates for which HBC still has active patents/trademarks.
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Thank you!

If they did decide to continue any product lines, they would probably shift the Point Blanket production to China from England. They have a proud history of using formerly quality brand names-turned off-shore junk like Noma and Woods.
 
lenaitch said:
Keep in mind that Canadian Tire Corp. owns a number of retail brands. It also owns 'CT REIT' which is a real estate trust. Maybe they want the properties simply as a landlord.
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This is why I fail to understand why they don't just snatch up the rights to the Bay name, keep select stores open and put their own stores in other places, Canadian tire, with a (large) Marks store, Sport check, Party City, and (if doable) their version of a pet store, since they now have a pet section in their Canadian tire stores.
Lots of space to fill, lots of ways to do it, effectively...
 
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