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At some point the majority of transit riders will say "ENOUGH!" and enforcement will start to re-establish normalcy on the TTC. No setting up a shelter in the back of a streetcar. No taking a crap on the subway platform. No walking up and down a bus screaming at strangers. No smoking crack next to her mum and kids. At some point, the majority will demand this all be fixed. I cannot believe that we're not there yet, but we'll get there. Eventually.
 
Admiral Beez said:
I don't need courtesy. Ask me in any abrupt manner you'd like if I've paid my fare. If I do not promptly present my Presto Card or other proof of payment you can assume I'm a transit thief and fine, expel or detain me. Transit scofflaws deserve no quarter.
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I'm not a scofflaw, so I expect some degree of decorum.

Fare inspectors have no business going into an interaction already assuming the person they're checking is a thief.
 
You're actually just tasking the fare inspectors with making the assumption based on the person's appearance, because they're obviously still going to treat people who look like the work in an office tower with respect (even when ticketing them!).

I've seen fare inspectors speak with homeless people on streetcars many times. They don't bother asking about a fare, they just politely tell them they will have to get off the train at the next stop, and ask if there's anyone they can call to connect them with help. I assume they have a direct line to the outreach workers referred to above. They don't need to be abrupt or combative.
 
Admiral Beez said:
In my mind, until you've proven you've paid the assumption is that you have not.
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Our entire legal system is based on the opposite principle.

Sorry, but I've spent my entire life around minor authority figures who let their power go to their head. We are not so starving for labour in this country that we have to accept every person who thinks being a fare inspector/security guard/retail manager gives them the right to throw their weight around and make life unpleasant for those over whom they have authority.

Respect is a two way street. In the same way that it would be unacceptable for me to tell the fare inspector to f--- off or start screaming at them accusing them of being dime store dictators, so too it should be unacceptable for the fare inspector to behave discourteously, speak in a hostile tone to someone they have zero proof has done anything wrong, or waste the client's time, as outlined in the post I made above. The solution to what you and a few others here seem to perceive as a breakdown in order is not to empower authority figures to behave appallingly in turn.
 
Northern Light said:
Does your building have security? If so, did you notify them?
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Yes it does, but the security/concierge person happened to be away from their desk at that moment, and the addict left the building shortly after lighting up. I was mildly shocked by how brazen and casual their detestable behaviour was.
 
Towered said:
Yes it does, but the security/concierge person happened to be away from their desk at that moment, and the addict left the building shortly after lighting up. I was mildly shocked by how brazen and casual their detestable behaviour was.
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If you are smoking crack in public you are likely at the point you really don't even comprehend anymore where you are or what is going on around you.

I've noticed though even older office towers are renovating to lock down their buildings, requiring FOB access for any floor above the lobby, as word gets around to the homeless about which floors are accessible with washrooms they can camp out in for a time.
Even couriers and delivery drivers are now not using the workers' elevators but forced to the freight elevators where someone verifies their purpose for being there.
In the new office buildings this is now the setup by design.

Where I work at King & York, if we have guests visiting, or even our clients, we have to now go down to the lobby to meet them and then bring them up to our floor, something unthinkable when I started working there in 2010, though probably caused by multiple incidents over time (though on weekends you always needed a FOB for the elevator).
 
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I tried to get out of the office tower at Yonge and Bloor this week to walk north on Yonge, and even their lobby is card access.
 
Jonny5 said:
If you are smoking crack in public you are likely at the point you really don't even comprehend anymore where you are or what is going on around you.

I've noticed though even older office towers are renovating to lock down their buildings, requiring FOB access for any floor above the lobby, as word gets around to the homeless about which floors are accessible with washrooms they can camp out in for a time.
Even couriers and delivery drivers are now not using the workers' elevators but forced to the freight elevators where someone verifies their purpose for being there.
In the new office buildings this is now the setup by design.

Where I work at King & York, if we have guests visiting, or even our clients, we have to now go down to the lobby to meet them and then bring them up to our floor, something unthinkable when I started working there in 2010, though probably caused by multiple incidents over time (though on weekends you always needed a FOB for the elevator).
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I can confirm that this is happening with the company I work for as well - next week two of our floors will be going to fob access only. When I asked why, it was confirmed because of outsiders seen wandering around on our floors, and the odd homeless person using our bathrooms.
 
It's pretty obvious that as the cost of housing has gone up, there are more homeless people in Toronto, driving people to take shelter where they can and businesses/landlords to take these countermeasures.
 
Jonny5 said:
If you are smoking crack in public you are likely at the point you really don't even comprehend anymore where you are or what is going on around you.

I've noticed though even older office towers are renovating to lock down their buildings, requiring FOB access for any floor above the lobby, as word gets around to the homeless about which floors are accessible with washrooms they can camp out in for a time.
Even couriers and delivery drivers are now not using the workers' elevators but forced to the freight elevators where someone verifies their purpose for being there.
In the new office buildings this is now the setup by design.

Where I work at King & York, if we have guests visiting, or even our clients, we have to now go down to the lobby to meet them and then bring them up to our floor, something unthinkable when I started working there in 2010, though probably caused by multiple incidents over time (though on weekends you always needed a FOB for the elevator).
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I have noticed more and more higher-end homes under renovations have security guards watching the site these days. I have been working on homes for over 10 years. I rarely saw security guards on the job site up until a few years ago.

The lady next door was telling me a few months back, her daughter works at a store in the Eaton Centre, somebody OD and died in the washroom at the mall. Probably not the first person to do so sadly.
 
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gabe said:
I have noticed more and more higher-end homes under renovations have security guards watching the site these days.
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Security needs to be effective, however. Last weekend we walked to the Reference Library to see the postcard exhibit. Inside the library were several people clearly wigged out or otherwise disruptive with a security guard simply standing nearby. To get to the library we decided to try the new parks nearby, and while George Hislop Park was very pretty, there were two fentanyl zombies frozen, bent over, in the playground. And then we have the absolute circus of the nearby old church yard at 25 Charles St E., filled to the nines with addicts visibly shooting up and homeless folks. Can't we have nice things?
 
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