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sixrings
Senior Member
I’ll never understand if everyone is replaced by computers how do the peasants have money to buy the tech crap these companies want to sell us.
T3G
Senior Member
I didn't say anything about how likely or possible their goals are. But when they spell those goals out outright, I think it would be beneficial if we at least took notice of what it was that they were saying, even if we don't think it's a realistic goal to attain. And what they are saying is highly ominous.
But if rendering the whole of the human race surplus is not on the table, I don't think it's going to take very much to do so to at least a considerable chunk of it. Getting rid of all retail employees, the one fallback option for those who do not have the education to do something better, really doesn't seem that far fetched... already, those robber barons to whom you refer are cutting back on staffing as much as possible, don't you think they will nix the last few stragglers if machines end up becoming reliable enough to do the job, instead? Ditto train drivers - hell, one of the main criticisms against the Eglinton Crosstown on this very forum is that the line is not grade separated and therefore can't be automated, as though that was remotely a negative. And if AI generated art/music doesn't fully eliminate the market for human generated art, it could crater a big chunk of it. Lots of people are not very picky about what they take in, it's just a constant cycle of consumption, so it's not going to be a big deal to them whether said content is generated by a person or a machine. Already, in many circumstances, those who control the purses are hesitant to provide funding for anything that isn't safe and guaranteed to be a big blockbuster, like a remake of a classic franchise. If AI making entire bodies of work for them becomes possible, why would they ever pay another human artist to do it ever again? I've already started getting AI generated music in my weekly Spotify recommendations.
It is a race to the bottom and I for one am certainly not remotely optimistic about what horrors await down the line. Creating and maintaining jobs for real people instead of seeking to squeeze every last cent out of what you have is going to become more and more of a public service/charity.
Technology isn't all or nothing - there is tech that has been greatly beneficial to the human race, yes, but that doesn't mean we have to push the boundaries of what is and isn't possible at all costs, especially when the tech in question appears to offer dubious (a charitable description) benefits to anyone who isn't a wealthy business owner. We have reached the point where it's time to say enough is enough.
SubHuman
Active Member
I realize this extends well beyond being a TTC responsibility, and into the murky depths of the mental health care system.
But the apathetic attitude displayed by the "individual offenders aren't tracked" situation is aggravating. The apparent likelihood is that mentally unsound people are climbing onto the tracks multiple times, and somehow it seems no one with the power and responsibility to do so can be bothered to stop it.
Suppose you had a close relative who was increasingly suffering from a severe mental illness or drug problem, and disappeared for some time, before you were informed they had been killed by being hit by a subway train after they had climbed onto the tracks at a subway station. You then also find out they had done this other times before the last one. Would your thought be something like "I'm glad they didn't put them into an institution after the first time, because that would have been an unfair and mean thing to do to them"?
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turbanplanner
Senior Member
Honestly there is so much untracked stuff like nutters in bathrooms that make people uncomfortable but will NEVER be tracked, let alone responded to!
But even here if you mention you were yelled at in a bathroom people will hand waive it away, if they even believe you
*edit* photo removed for privacy
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APTA-2048
Senior Member
Does that include you? I would definitely be uncomfortable if someone took a picture of me in the washroom…
turbanplanner
Senior Member
How else do you expect me to report someone?
Every time I say something here (ex, I ran across someone screaming) people have the Gaul to say I'm making it up. I provide proof and again ya'll will make up a scenario where I'm the bad person.
txlseries4
Active Member
Using your words…..? Do you expect the TTC is going to say “pics or it didn’t happen”??
Taking a photo of someone in a bathroom is a violation of privacy and doing it so that you can change the minds of a bunch of strangers on the internet is bizarre
nfitz
Superstar
Here isn't really the issue. What did TTC say when you reported it to them
turbanplanner
Senior Member
I took the photo to add to a police report, the dude was yelling at people trying to use the bathroom and clearly was unwell, I'm sorry you feel his right to privacy overrides peoples right to a safe commute and not being yelled at. A photo is way better than a written description.
I filed a police report since the TTC contact form doesn't have any place to upload photos
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nfitz
Superstar
I feel? I'm not sure why you think that. What are you referring to?
I've sent similar ... well to the TTC Safe Alert rather than the police. And there's little in that photo that can be used to identify them once they recover.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
I didn’t have the safe TTC app so this was the best I could do in the moment, not going to wait around for it to download in this sort of situation
SubHuman
Active Member
I assume these slat things between the subway cars on Line 2 were installed to discourage the mentally ill who are having delusions from climbing into there? The first time I saw it happen a few years back ̷t̷h̷e̷ ̷s̷p̷a̷c̷e̷s̷ ̷w̷e̷r̷e̷ ̷s̷t̷i̷l̷l̷ ̷o̷p̷e̷n̷ (Edit: nope, probably not as apparently they've always been there), and the guy did it right as the train was about to start moving out of the station and the operator unfortunately must have missed seeing him. Last month I saw a guy doing it at Bay station while the train was stopped, so I suppose the slat things at least slowed him down enough that the operator could see him climbing over them.
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Jonny5
Senior Member
Teenagers who want to be viral Tik Tok stars and film themselves there or climb on top of the train.
crs1026
Superstar
From close observation....You describe exactly the plight of families where a loved one has "gone to the streets". The TTC is only one link in the system. Once individuals enter that world, their life is a series of transactions with support agencies, shelters, mental services, Emergency clinics, police, paramedics... each of whom has a delineated role with boundaries to both their involvement and the individual transactions themselves. So individuals pass from one event to the next with no continuity or followthrough in support. All that loved ones can do is hope for the best - and constantly fear the worst.
Having said that - I differentiate public policy for urban transit from other matters of homelessness or mental health deficiencies on two factors - a) it is a space that every citizen either needs to be present in, or is encouraged to use and b) it demands a physical proximity to others that creates vulnerability. People may not like seeing the homeless in parks or on the sidewalk, but they can cross the street or take another route.... but on transit, the risk can sit down beside you and you can't realistically make it go away. For that reason, imho the norms of behaviour on transit must resemble those of a public library or a church....in urban life it must be a place of sanctuary and absolute safety. So bizarre behaviour and/or unhygenic state cannot prevail.
- Paul