[Rainforest]

Oh ya? Well, the Scarborough Subway extension is about 8 km with three stations and the bill is now about 10 billion. Fantasy Four!Oh!One! is 7.5 times as long. It's supposed to have a transit line in the bottom. Let's say that has 10 stations, which are about 40 meters below and 50 to 500 meters laterally from the intersections and/or transit lines they connect with. And that's just the transit. The road tunnel has to have at least five interchanges, largely underground, which change grades up to 30 meters, avoiding watercourses and arterial roads.

All this for twice the cost of the SSE? That's not optimism, that's magical thinking.

Don't worry, they will drop the transit line to cut the cost

 

[micheal_can]

Not debating the merits of tunnel, just saying people were laughing at his "crayon / marker drawings on a napkin" for transit lines and lots of people were laughing at him saying it is not realistic. Well now his napkin paper drawing is being built and considering he is office until Mid 2029, these projects will be to late in the process to be cancelled or changed materially.

Regarding your DRL comment, the media and others on this forum were saying the ontario line was not feasible to be built and doesn't have merit compared to the actual DRL. Well I guess that ship has sailed and we are getting the OL in the same shape and form Ford proposed it as.

The only project that I heard people laughing at was the Smartrack line. The OL isn't that.

For the sake of this country, Mark Carney and his Liberal government must IMMEDIATELY shut down the idea of any funding for Doug Ford's $100B vanity project!

Carney may string him along to keep his support.

First - you are assuming it's 7.5 times the length. We have no idea about the project length. There are simply too many variables and we have been provided literally zero details. If you inflate the scope of the project massively, maybe you can get it closer to $100 billion, sure..

The recently completed WestConnex project in Sydney dug a 6-lane motorway tunnel the equivalent length from the 427 to 404 for $20 billion AUD.

We need to know more. MTO is studying the central 401 corridor to review capacity expansion options - that does not inherently mean a 55km tunnel with 10 rapid transit stations. Could the scope end up as you describe? maybe. But I think it's unlikely. You are probably more likely to see a project run from the 427 to 404 or so, with the claimed transit tunnel connecting a bit further to existing lines and probably costing over half the total project budget to include.

From where to where would be the shortest that it could be built and be effective?
My thinking would be the 407 in the west and the 412 in the east. Less than that and it won't be effective.

 

[Rainforest]

Not debating the merits of tunnel, just saying people were laughing at his "crayon / marker drawings on a napkin" for transit lines and lots of people were laughing at him saying it is not realistic. Well now his napkin paper drawing is being built and considering he is office until Mid 2029, these projects will be to late in the process to be cancelled or changed materially.

Regarding your DRL comment, the media and others on this forum were saying the ontario line was not feasible to be built and doesn't have merit compared to the actual DRL. Well I guess that ship has sailed and we are getting the OL in the same shape and form Ford proposed it as.

Anything is possible; it might happen, doesn't necessarily mean it will happen.

Ontario Line was certainly feasible, and is located in the right place (mostly). The implementation is not optimal, the modest cost saving resulted a significant reduction of the future capacity limit.

The 401 tunnel, on the other hand, is not going to be in the right place, regardless of capacity. Cars making faster 401 trips, then most of those cars ending up in longer traffic jams on the regular streets once they exit the 401/tunnel.