gotransitboyhere
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Will these cabs have K5LA's?
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RU479
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Transport Canada would not allow that unless GO puts a K5CA horn along with the K5LA, and GO would never waste money on buying two horns for a single unit.
gotransitboyhere
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I might email GO Transit about that, since I have emailed them before.
gotransitboyhere
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Where can I find more photos of these cabs?
smallspy
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TC will absolutely allow it. And they have, too.
But on passenger equipment it would need to be paired with another horn.
Dan
cplchanb
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What are the differences between the horns? On YouTube theg both sound virtually the same
RU479
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Here’s the old K5LAs used before the mandate in 2012:
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ssiguy2
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While the 2nd horn is much more bearable, it does show how over/underpasses are needed on the system.
While some may think it's a bit of a waste of money, I certainly don't. Besides being both faster and safer, they also result in a quiet neighbourhood.. It's one thing to have to tolerate a train horn every hour and quite another having to tolerate it every 8 minutes at a MINIMUM all day long late into the evening even on Sundays. This is when local communities start to view GO service in a negative light as the noise levels become intolerable. I think the entire RER sections of GO should be 100% grade separated.
While some may think it's a bit of a waste of money, I certainly don't. Besides being both faster and safer, they also result in a quiet neighbourhood.. It's one thing to have to tolerate a train horn every hour and quite another having to tolerate it every 8 minutes at a MINIMUM all day long late into the evening even on Sundays. This is when local communities start to view GO service in a negative light as the noise levels become intolerable. I think the entire RER sections of GO should be 100% grade separated.
RU479
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Well, really only the Barrie Line has a lot of horn enabled crossings, all the other ones have mostly quiet zones initiated or have grade separations as mentioned.
cplchanb
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Honestly we should be investing in the low hanging fruit of having the crossings at least upgraded to allow for quiet zones... the horn and the bell is such a draconian and obsolete protocol. Hardly any other railroad in the world uses this apart from NA.
RU479
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But then by the time the frequent 3-8 min service arrives there would be more backing of traffic. Even if quiet zones are effective, traffic would get backed up way more with the frequent service blocking crossings.
I think we should mostly focus on getting rid of most of the grade crossings within the RER zone, like ssiguy2 mentioned.
RU479
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Also while the horns are something that could be likely limited in most areas, it would have to take the FRA and Transport Canada to change the regulations to limit bell ringing, cause it's required that they have to do it at when entering or exiting stations, and even at quiet zone crossings.
cplchanb
Senior Member
That's the thing... fra and tc won't do any proactive to modernize their standards. This bell and whistle thing is from the wild west and is seriously dinosaur. Same with the regs on train design. It's just a shame that we tout ourselves to be the most developed nation in the world but in reality things like these just proves otherwise
RU479
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Well, then I guess the only thing then is to see whether the FRA and TC will end up modernizing their standards. And to be fair since CalMod is getting the Stadler KISS, that may open the doors for more railroads to move towards EMU models, allowing for standardization of European designs for new regional railroads.
ssiguy2
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I sure as hell wouldn't want a horn going by my place every 8 minutes all day and evening. It would be enough to drive any sane person nuts. Also, as RS3488 mentioned, when the whole system kicks in, traffic at these non-grade separated sections will become a nightmare. It should be a priority for MK to get rid of all grade crossings at least by 2026 on the RER sections and then expand it as the system gets bigger and busier.
While I tend to have zero empathy for people who bitch about trains even though they decided to live right beside a railway track, this is different. These horns can be heard up to a KM away. This is not a NIMBY issue but a quality of life one and the need for a relatively quiet urban existence is not unreasonable.
While I tend to have zero empathy for people who bitch about trains even though they decided to live right beside a railway track, this is different. These horns can be heard up to a KM away. This is not a NIMBY issue but a quality of life one and the need for a relatively quiet urban existence is not unreasonable.