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cplchanb
Senior Member
now if only they can hook up 4 more of the current livery cars we would have a consistent consist. these repaints are taking wayyyyy too long to do. its been 10 years since ML got the new livery.
T3G
Senior Member
The cars only get repainted when they go in for refurbishing, which is usually every 20 years or so. A portion of the Series V cars were refurbished in the early 2010s before the new livery was introduced, and cars were getting delivered brand new in the old colours until 2014, so optimistically it will be another decade and change before the rest of the fleet is repainted.
As it should be, because repainting before it's time to renew the livery delivers naught.
As it should be, because repainting before it's time to renew the livery delivers naught.
cplchanb
Senior Member
Ok so by the time they need to be repainted id bet shortly afterwards ML will have a new livery so all the work they did to repaint would be a waste
they have enough cars to switch out, they need to sort out their branding by having a unified livery instead of an ancient obsolete one from 10 years ago.
makes them look disjointed and disorganized.
WB62
Senior Member
T3G
Senior Member
I don't think anyone except for railfans actually cares.
cplchanb
Senior Member
T3G
Senior Member
Maybe we shouldn't listen to them? People who know nothing about the life cycle of a rail car have no business commenting about rail cars. I truly loathe this direction our society is going in where any random fool with an internet connection can make an inflammatory comment and cause a controversy. This is not democracy, this is proxy rule of the stupid.
The amount or people that will notice something like this anyway is low. Most people will note if their car is disgusting on the inside, or uncomfortable, or with defunct climate control. A faded rail car is not on the radar of most people. And it's not a problem that will be solved by fully switching over to the new livery, because then what? In 10 years the earliest repainted cars will also start looking as faded and the problem restarts itself. The only way to avoid this problem is to have repaints more often, whatever the choice of livery is. And I don't get the feeling our transit system is anywhere near well developed enough that we can afford to throw out money on frivolous nonsense like this. Spend the money on infrastructure to actually make the system usable, and leave the marketing wank to the losers studying PR and marketing.
lenaitch
Senior Member
Do you honestly think people make their commuting decisions based on what the the condition of the livery is in?
cplchanb
Senior Member
actually to a degre yes... theres a reason why most of the people arent taking transit over cars. although not a major reason this is also one minor reason.
the fact that theres still decrepit and old looking cars fuelled by the negative perception in the news of ML will turn people away from supporting transit.
so this is what our tax dollars have gone to. you underestimate how brand power drives emotion and public perception. you dont see the leafs reusing previous generations jerseys to save a nickel on the dollar just because the player
was part of the team in their previous generation of logo.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
No but OTOH I think the whole transport of last resort argument is easier to make in that case, alsooooo have you seen Via?
I think they had a wrap for spiderman 2 still up when 3 came out!
Amare
Senior Member
Huh?
First let's start off with your point about the Leafs. Their jerseys and logos could literally depict a pile of garbage and people would still go and support them en masse, that's just how it is with their fans.
Now to the actual point of discussion, a big reason why people are taking their cars over transit is simply because it's more convenient to and for decades, our politicians and transit agencies have failed to make it enticing for people to make the switch. Why would someone for instance, wait 15-20 minutes for a bus and then commute another 30 minutes once said bus arrives, when they can take their car and be at their destination in 1/5th of the time?
Let's get more specific, Metrolinx and the TTC both changed their liveries within the past 10-15 years. Do you think the demand on either agency has spiked up dramatically because of it? I'll give you a hint, the answer starts with a No. In the TTC's case, they've done an excellent job recently of driving away ridership thanks to their service cuts and maintenance practices. Or in other words, the TTC had a higher ridership when they had their "decrepit and old looking cars" compared to their brand new shiny vehicles.
People would use transit if it was more convenient to do so, but in many cases it isnt so they dont. Quite simple really.
lenaitch
Senior Member
And is there a record of people saying, 'you know, I was going to take the train to Montreal, but then I saw that locomotive, so I drove'. Or, 'I really wanted to take the train, but I don't like Home Hardware'.
Amare
Senior Member
Count me as one of them, the new/refurbished cars dont offer great a level of comfort.
crs1026
Superstar
Interior amenity is a whole different marketing proposition than exterior paint.
But to be fair, ML has one of the cleanest and best maintained interior fleet conditions of transit systems anywhere.
And some of the fleets we point to as models are awash in grafitti (inside and out) and worn-out seat coverings, walls, and flooring.
Look at photos from even a few years ago and you will see the steady transition of GO coaches from old to new paint schemes. Even two years ago, a typical consist was only 40-50% repaints where today it's closer to 80%. Commendably, the fleet is not being repainted faster than the old paint is fading, so there is little or no incremental cost.
ML standards may be slipping a little (yesterday's ride was in a coach that was a tad hot) but overall this is not one ofvthe many things I would criticise them for.
- Paul
But to be fair, ML has one of the cleanest and best maintained interior fleet conditions of transit systems anywhere.
And some of the fleets we point to as models are awash in grafitti (inside and out) and worn-out seat coverings, walls, and flooring.
Look at photos from even a few years ago and you will see the steady transition of GO coaches from old to new paint schemes. Even two years ago, a typical consist was only 40-50% repaints where today it's closer to 80%. Commendably, the fleet is not being repainted faster than the old paint is fading, so there is little or no incremental cost.
ML standards may be slipping a little (yesterday's ride was in a coach that was a tad hot) but overall this is not one ofvthe many things I would criticise them for.
- Paul