crs1026
Superstar
They were the conductor's original designed placement, but the move to 3-person crews plus the requirement for the CSA to operate the mobility ramp (which was a new addition) forced relocation to the lower level.
- Paul
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They were the conductor's original designed placement, but the move to 3-person crews plus the requirement for the CSA to operate the mobility ramp (which was a new addition) forced relocation to the lower level.
- Paul
WB62
Senior Member
Well they aren’t driving from that one now are they
WB62
Senior Member
The new bike coaches are now beginning to appear on trains:
turbanplanner
Senior Member
If you know, did the downstairs controls always exist or were they retrofits?
robmausser
Senior Member
glad to see they did this style of rack, they can fit way more bikes this way.
crs1026
Superstar
My dusty memory says there was always a basic panel to open the doors, but the functionality has been upgraded as the older cars were refurbished.
- Paul
WB62
Senior Member
These coaches can fit 2 more bikes than the old ones
WB62
Senior Member
Crews could always key out and access the intercom from the lower level.
The only coaches that had full door control panels retrofitted downstairs were the Series 4 coaches, and that’s because they were repurposed as accessibility coaches in the mid 90’s-00’s, because they had a panel added downstairs they removed the panel and openable window upstairs.
smallspy
Senior Member
The 2300-series cars had them retrofitted to the doorways when they were converted to accessible cars in the early 1990s.
2500-2521 were the first cars delivered with them in 2001 or so.
All cars built since have had them located in the doorways.
Dan
robmausser
Senior Member
There is still room to put even way more of these style of racks in, its not an issue of space, just MX decided to stop at this number.
Not only that, but its easier to get your bike out when its packed. On the old ones, when it was packed with bikes, and your bike was on the inside near the window, it was a pain to try to get it out past the other bikes.
Everywhere around the world use this style of bike storage system, its absolutely superior.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Not just repainted doors, those are actually new doors. The older doors don't have such large windows. It's a sort of anachronism to have a coach with five windows on the lower level (old) but also tall windows in the doors (new).
crs1026
Superstar
There was a certain amount of door swapping back when the first repaints were done. I wonder if this is just more of that.
- Paul
- Paul
smallspy
Senior Member
Another giveaway to that is the new, unpainted exterior panels around the doorways. The new doors have a different mechanism that is supposed to be far more reliable than the old ones.
This is the first step in the rebuild process. In the past, cars were sent like this to CAD in Montréal or ONR in North Bay, where they would have the rest of the work done, including applying the new paint scheme.
The rebuild for the cab cars did not specify spec'ing the new doors in the process, for whatever reason.
Dan
GOTransitFan206
New Member
Maybe they just wrapped the old doors.
WB62
Senior Member
Did another one of these diagrams, this time focusing on the car markers. If you know what these mean they can actually be quite helpful to know where train stops (so you don’t end up running down half the platform if your train is 6 cars long):
