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Bojaxs said:
I don't think electrification is going to happen as soon as a lot of you guys think it will.
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What matters is not when electrification is completed, what matters is when the first segment enters service. After that point new motive power purchases can be entirely electric for the forseeable future, with the new electric locomotives and EMUs gradually replacing old MP40s and F59s as the reach of electrification expands. I don't think we'd need to puchase any new diesel power until the diesel locomotives currently on order reach end of life.

Based on recent announcements by Metrolinx, it sounds like they're prioritizing electrification of Lakeshore East and West, with the remainder of lines on the backburner for the moment.
 
RS3488 said:
Are you saying this current order will replace some of the current locomotives?
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That’s what’s been suggested to me, but as I said before never fully trust what you hear from the grapevine, anything could change at any time and information might get mixed as it’s passed down from person to person.
 
reaperexpress said:
Based on recent announcements by Metrolinx, it sounds like they're prioritizing electrification of Lakeshore East and West, with the remainder of lines on the backburner for the moment.
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The Lakeshore Lines have always been the prime candidate for electrification. I wouldn't say the other lines are on the backburner, rather that ONxpress can only mobilize so many resources at once to do electrification work. It makes sense to focus on a line (or a pair of lines) at a time, and do the work more focused and efficiently. Just like everything with GO Expansion, phasing is key for the delivery.
 
An interesting and large (180 trains) SNCF tender is underway.

The first tender covers 30 trains equipped to take traction current at 1.5kV dc and 25kV ac, and capable of operating at up to 160km/h in electric mode. They must also be capable of operating in hydrogen mode at up to 140km/h, with a minimum range of 600km.
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The second framework contract is for 150 trains with the same capacity, train length and overhead supply voltages, but equipped with battery power for operation at up to 140km/h and with a range of at least 100km.

Options here include extended battery range of up to 200km or a biofuel-powered diesel engine compliant with Euro V emissions standards.
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Seems relevant to GOs future options for non-electrified corridors. Despite the mix of technologies, 180 trains doesn't feel like an experimental order.
 
SaugeenJunction said:
The Lakeshore Lines have always been the prime candidate for electrification. I wouldn't say the other lines are on the backburner, rather that ONxpress can only mobilize so many resources at once to do electrification work. It makes sense to focus on a line (or a pair of lines) at a time, and do the work more focused and efficiently. Just like everything with GO Expansion, phasing is key for the delivery.
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I assume you just have an issue with my wording because what I meant is exactly what you describe here. Like I said, they are prioritizing electrification of Lakeshore because it makes sense to focus on getting at least one line up and running with electric power as quickly as practical so they can stop buying diesel trains that they know they won't need during later stages of GO Expansion. The other lines are "on the backburner" in the sense that they are resources are not devoted to them during the first phase for electification. Once Lakeshore is well on track to be electrified from Oshawa to Burlington, I'm sure the Kitchener line to Bramalea/Pearson and Stouffville Line to Unionville/Stouffville won't be too far behind.
 
reaperexpress said:
I assume you just have an issue with my wording because what I meant is exactly what you describe here. Like I said, they are prioritizing electrification of Lakeshore because it makes sense to focus on getting at least one line up and running with electric power as quickly as practical so they can stop buying diesel trains that they know they won't need during later stages of GO Expansion. The other lines are "on the backburner" in the sense that they are resources are not devoted to them during the first phase for electification. Once Lakeshore is well on track to be electrified from Oshawa to Burlington, I'm sure the Kitchener line to Bramalea/Pearson and Stouffville Line to Unionville/Stouffville won't be too far behind.
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Yes
 
Northern Light said:
Agree on the above. Neither of us like the way Mx has handled the 'early works'. They don't seem to be able, as an organization to think in logical, complete thoughts.

ie. we must complete these 3 things on line C in order to enact 'this' level of service.

Instead, deciding to do 2 things on line C, 1 at pace, 1 slowly, and then do the same on 2 other lines. Such that none see service upgrades to where we would like in a timely fashion.



Well......

We know Mx had plans for 11 daily trains per direction on the Milton corridor, and it is not tied up with any major works, and they are not running 11 trains daily.

So..... while I agree that some of the work is a barrier to next-level service; and some is even a barrier to pre-pandemic service (see joint corridor works with the Ontario Line) there is certainly some space on some corridors for greater service now.



I didn't say you were mean spirited, and I don't think I would ever attribute that to you; but I might say I think the statement is simply a bit much; that there is a bit more room for nuance than you implied.
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Did you take into consideration that track slots are not the only factor in adding trains? Equipment availability, crews, maintenance cycling all are factors as well.
 
Since GO seems to be taking delivery of the final ones quite quickly now (201 was delivered less than a month ago), and there are only a very few left to still be delivered back to GO, I’d expect soon we will see GO finally start using them in some sort of fashion. Though who knows
 
RS3488 said:
View attachment 540011In an ironic twist of fate

202 placed in front of a Series 10 cab car at Willowbrook
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Hmm, curiouser and curiouser...
RS3488 said:
Since GO seems to be taking delivery of the final ones quite quickly now (201 was delivered less than a month ago), and there are only a very few left to still be delivered back to GO, I’d expect soon we will see GO finally start using them in some sort of fashion. Though who knows
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It definitely appears like they have some sort of plan for all these cab cars, but then again this is the same agency that built new tunnels under the 401 for the Kitchener line and then left them unused for nearly a decade.
 
reaperexpress said:
Hmm, curiouser and curiouser...

It definitely appears like they have some sort of plan for all these cab cars, but then again this is the same agency that built new tunnels under the 401 for the Kitchener line and then left them unused for nearly a decade.
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But even if the tunnels are in use the bridge before the 401 cannot handle more tracks so what's the point?
 
RS3488 said:
Since GO seems to be taking delivery of the final ones quite quickly now (201 was delivered less than a month ago), and there are only a very few left to still be delivered back to GO, I’d expect soon we will see GO finally start using them in some sort of fashion. Though who knows
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Do they at least run power to the cars every now and again? I hope the electrical systems on those cars will work if some have been parked out there for more than a year...
 
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