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lenaitch said:
True, but as a government policy, it keeps the money inside the tent.
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Sure, you rob Peter to pay Paul.

But from the level of each operation, they also have to account for the money that is leaving their part of the tent. If the budget for a line item is X, and the ultimate outlay is 2X, then they have to account for it and as a result something else may have to be foregone. Which is what happened with that last rebuild contract to ONR.

Of course, that isn't the case with this contract - GO was told to give ONR the cars to be worked on - but with the contracts that have regularly won by CAD it has been for good reason.

Dan
 
ryanandmagic said:
Will coach 2330 be repaired?
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They probably will more pics of the interior post-flames;
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While the interior will need to be gutted I'm sure the structural integrity of the car is just fine. I suppose it's simply a question of how much it will cost to replace everything, probably still cheaper than a new car.
 
T3G said:
And as I stated before, investing money into the refurbishment of old coaching stock and leaving it out of service until a murky, unknown day in the future when more service will be run, is a poor use of funds. Logic would dictate cycling them through into service, at first ensuring that they run well, that everything is above board, and thereafter paying for their own refurbishment.

The cars are still parked under the wide open sky, exposed to baking heat, freezing cold, snow, rain. It's been a year since the first refurbished car was delivered, and at the glacial pace anything gets done in this country I would anticipate it's going to be at least a few more before the service increases start coming on line en masse. They will not be in the same condition they were delivered in. Standing around and doing nothing is almost as bad for a vehicle as excessive overuse.
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Welcome to the world of how railways work.

One person's unattractive line of rusting, sitting-in-weeds hulks is a railway exec's dream parts warehouse. Didn't cost anything to erect, no need to heat, light, or fix the roof, pretty minimal property tax assessment compared to erecting a building and pulling all the equipment apart and shelving all the spare parts.

Unless the heat of the fire was sufficient to damage structural members, the car might be fixed one day. Letting it sit for five years and then reclaiming even the seats or handrails or some obscure fittings for other coaches (which by then may not be procurable at reasonable cost) may prove to be more valuable than x dollars in scrap aluminium invested today. If nothing else, wait until the price for scrap metal is optimal before cutting it up.

- Paul
 
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crs1026 said:
Welcome to the world of how railways work.

One person's unattractive line of rusting, sitting-in-weeds hulks is a railway exec's dream parts warehouse. Didn't cost anything to erect, no need to heat, light, or fix the roof, pretty minimal property tax assessment compared to erecting a building and pulling all the equipment apart and shelving all the spare parts.

Unless the heat of the fire was sufficient to damage structural members, the car might be fixed one day. Letting it sit for five years and then reclaiming even the seats or handrails for other coaches (which by then may not be procurable at reasonable cost) may prove to be more valuable than x dollars in scrap aluminium invested today. If nothing else, wait until the price for scrap metal is optimal before cutting it up.

- Paul
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I was referring to the refurbished cab cars, not to burned out 2330.
 
T3G said:
I was referring to the refurbished cab cars, not to burned out 2330.
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Ah - well, even there, it's pretty clear that ML is building its supply of cab cars for when they are needed. Fleet procurement is not a just-in-time proposition.

The line of never-used cab car refurbs reflects good fiscal management, in the sense that if not yet needed, why bother expending even five minutes' energy and labour to deploy them in service? They are ready enough for when ML runs short. In the meanwhile, they don't need to be inspected, cleaned, lit, heated, maintained. They just sit on the shelf so to speak.

Quite possibly, having those cars available for verification and inspection by OnCorr fulfils some commitment in the still-being-written contract. Isn't OnCorr doing a fleet assessment at the moment? ML's tender specs will have laid out what ML is delivering as the "opening day" fleet. Getting these cars refurb'd and delivered may be one bullet on ML's to-do list to prepare for OnCorr. Tying up capital for a year or two is just a cost of doing that business.

The amount of passion that some people expend on seeing those cars back on line is impressive, but not particularly aligned to looking over ML's shoulder as they operate.

- Paul
 
I still wonder about the cab cars that Alstom is refurbishing at Thunder Bay (the Series VII cab cars numbered 242 - 250), there hasn't been any clear sign of what's been happening to them, and whether they would regain their cab control function or be permanently decommissioned to standard coaches.
 
RS3488 said:
I still wonder about the cab cars that Alstom is refurbishing at Thunder Bay (the Series VII cab cars numbered 242 - 250), there hasn't been any clear sign of what's been happening to them, and whether they would regain their cab control function or be permanently decommissioned to standard coaches.
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It would be cool if they refurbish it with activated cab controls.
 
I assume all the former cab cars are going to be reactivated just because GO is going to need way more than what they have now in the future
 
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At Willowbrook, I noticed two seemingly activated cab cars (judging by the mirrors), being used as midtrain coahes.
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