Bordercollie
Senior Member
At least they share common parts with a lot of locomotives still in service.
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SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
The new loco tender seems to be stuck in procurement purgatory. Maybe it got cancelled?
RU479
Active Member
That's what I think. Though since MX seems to be adamant there will be more major service increases between 2024-2025, they would probably need more locomotives.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
I guess there is nothing available on the used market either since we sold off the surplus F59PH's.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
If Metrolinx were to purchase more locomotive today, would they be MP54AC's or something else? EXO in Montreal is purchasing Siemens Chargers.
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
The Government of Ontario is also purchasing 3 Chargers for the Northlander. One would think adding 13 more for GO would help with parts, maintenance etc.
RU479
Active Member
The MP54AC has been discontinued ever since the closure of the MPI plant. The only options I see are the Siemens Charger or EMD F125.
drum118
Superstar
As we move to All Day Service 2 way, not every train needs to be 12 cars to the point they being 4-8 cars for most of the day with 8-12 cars at peak based on the route and ridership needs.
By having shorter trains, there is less need for MP40, MP54 or a Charger to move those shorter trains.
Its possible DB has said to ML to hold off on the purchase until we know what we will need to run the system or has said we need X from Alstom with an 2025/2026 that has to come from Europe.
Just because MPI plant has been close doesn't mean they can be built in another plant like Erie PA since that is where MPI was move to.
By having shorter trains, there is less need for MP40, MP54 or a Charger to move those shorter trains.
Its possible DB has said to ML to hold off on the purchase until we know what we will need to run the system or has said we need X from Alstom with an 2025/2026 that has to come from Europe.
Just because MPI plant has been close doesn't mean they can be built in another plant like Erie PA since that is where MPI was move to.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
@Reecemartin Nice writeup on the case for EMUs on the front page. I definitely agree that planning for EMUs in the future opens a lot of possibilities up like cheaper guideways/tunnels and continuing to use our cheap Pearson guideway.
One different opinion I have is that the BiLevels shouldn't be retrofitted to improve their suitability for frequent services. On the contrary they should be retrofitted to improve comfort for longer trips, namely adding more comfortable row seating on the upper level. In a future with EMUs, the BiLevels would increasingly be concentrated on the longer distance services such as to Kitchener, Niagara Falls, Barrie and potentially new destinations like London, Brantford or Kingston. These services will (hopefully) make limited stops where they overlap with local services.
One different opinion I have is that the BiLevels shouldn't be retrofitted to improve their suitability for frequent services. On the contrary they should be retrofitted to improve comfort for longer trips, namely adding more comfortable row seating on the upper level. In a future with EMUs, the BiLevels would increasingly be concentrated on the longer distance services such as to Kitchener, Niagara Falls, Barrie and potentially new destinations like London, Brantford or Kingston. These services will (hopefully) make limited stops where they overlap with local services.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
West Coast Express has the same bilevel coaches as GO transit, but I noticed they put tables between some of the seats.
WB62
Senior Member
GO used to have tables in their coaches, as well as a bunch of other things that were added/removed over the years
lenaitch
Senior Member
Just curious why you think the Pearson guideway is "cheap"?
I was under the understanding that it had to be built to heavy rail standards because it it is connected to the the network. If true, that would rule out cheaper (lighter/smaller) guideways and tunnels for EMUs.
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
The Pearson Spur/guideway is built quite well and can handle full-on locomotives on it.
RU479
Active Member
From what I heard that isn't the case.
I've been told that the Pearson Spur is only capable of holding equipment slightly heavier than the UPX DMUs (like the TTC Subway cars). It doesn't seem capable of holding heavier equipment like full on locomotives or the BiLevel cars.
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
Whoever told you this is exaggerating. Maybe not MP40s, but lighter locomotives for sure. Bilevels absolutely could be accommodated by the Pearson Spur, no question about it.