RU479
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I’m guessing that’s what the 13 locomotives are for.
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crs1026
Superstar
That's only one of their claims, which have been rewritten over time.
Lots was promised in the past, and then walked back or revised again and again.
One report here.
and here
Ontario Newsroom
news.ontario.ca
- Paul
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generalcanada
Senior Member
thats fair, the liberals in the past were lets say "ambitious" with their projections of GO RER back in 2014.That's only one of their claims, which have been rewritten over time.
Lots was promised in the past, and then walked back or revised again and again.
One report here.
and here
Would look for more definitive statements when I have time tomorrow.Ontario Newsroom
- Paul
I mean we litterally had a 3 year long RFP process
Im talking since the contract was signed last April. When the timelines have become more concrete
rbt
Senior Member
It felt like a blue-sky estimate at the time. Oversights during the electrification EA requiring it to be partially done again certainly didn't help the timeline, not did it help when vendors refused to bid under the original tender structure after Metrolinx made it abundantly clear they would sue the vendor for nearly every issue (see Bombardier and Crosslinx) under that model.
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ssiguy2
Senior Member
Personally I don't think all the cars on the train must be ADA compliant and raising the platforms may work for bi-levels butt what happens if they start using EMUs?
I think what they should do is do with the Paris RER system is implementing. Their fleet is mostly bi-level but they now have new cars that easily connect with the bi-levels but are only one level cars that have level boarding for the disabled and easier access for bikes and strollers. Dallas DART was about to get fined for the non-compliant LRT trains they run so they did a similar thing by buying level boarding middle cars. Depending on the number of cars on each train, there should be a certain percentage of them ADA compliant with such cars ie a 6 car train has 2 and a 12 car train 4.
Such a makeup would also allow for shorter dwelling times at each station as it's not the number of people at each station that slows the dwell time down but rather the extra time that must be provided for bikes and people with mobility issues and them having to congregate at the entry/exits making able bodied persons wait for them first.
I think what they should do is do with the Paris RER system is implementing. Their fleet is mostly bi-level but they now have new cars that easily connect with the bi-levels but are only one level cars that have level boarding for the disabled and easier access for bikes and strollers. Dallas DART was about to get fined for the non-compliant LRT trains they run so they did a similar thing by buying level boarding middle cars. Depending on the number of cars on each train, there should be a certain percentage of them ADA compliant with such cars ie a 6 car train has 2 and a 12 car train 4.
Such a makeup would also allow for shorter dwelling times at each station as it's not the number of people at each station that slows the dwell time down but rather the extra time that must be provided for bikes and people with mobility issues and them having to congregate at the entry/exits making able bodied persons wait for them first.
SashaLemon
Active Member
We should probably skip the electric loco stage and go right to EMUs. A middle step is just going to delay it even further.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
That is certainly the preferred option and I'm sure they will be phased in as the bi-levels reach the end of their lifecycle but to do it straight away would mean there are hundreds of bi-levels not being used and ML would end up selling them for pennies on the dollar.
drum118
Superstar
ML thinking require duel power for trains that go outside the overhead areas, but EMU should be use on the main body that is electrify as they come on line.We should probably skip the electric loco stage and go right to EMUs. A middle step is just going to delay it even further.
The big issue for ML is what to do with the existing equipment??. Some are due to retire in the next 10-15 years for coaches, but others are very young.
There are very few system in NA that could use some of the existing fleet, with most seeing the scrap yard unless someone in the world may want them.
SashaLemon
Active Member
How many are close to retiring? ML will still need the new ones for services like London or the RH line.
RU479
Active Member
Thing is, GO has recently refurbished their eldest BiLevels, presumely for more use into the future.
Them reactivating the old cab cars also suggests GO seems to want to continue use of the BiLevels even with electrification.
Them reactivating the old cab cars also suggests GO seems to want to continue use of the BiLevels even with electrification.
drum118
Superstar
No different than a fair number of system in Europe have been doing for a few decades.
Cheaper to this to get full value out of the rolling stock now and then move to EMU's down the road. Some system prefer this setup than doing EMU's
WB62
Senior Member
The age difference on GO’s fleet is absolutely astronomical, some coaches are approaching 50 years and others are approaching 2 years old. If the 15 year retiring timeline for the oldest coaches is correct, they would have been in service for 60 years. That means the newest coaches will be ready for retirement by 2081.
T3G
Senior Member
What coaches are due to be retired in 10-15 years? It can't be the Series I cars, those just wrapped up their refurbishments a few years ago.
Amare
Senior Member
VIA will be taking over London service. GO will no longer be operating that service.