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I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge the hard work of @jackhauen in putting this extensive piece on the record.

I would like to further thank those who took the time to speak with Jack privately and provide the necessary background.

We're all better off when the sunlight shines as a disinfectant on the sort of nonsense that's been going on here.
 
(I can imagine the same type of people who think it's a waste to run trains in two directions, which I've heard firsthand).

If this is common at ML, then there is indeed a problem. The 2WAD frequent service vision has been the ML vision since 2014-2015. Pretty well everything ML has done since then has had this end vision. if people are still fighting that....

Still, It does seem that there are two differing planes of thought. One has a vision of fairly conventional GO trains running 2WAD at 15 minute headways using current fleet (with some enhancements around things like electric locos) and perhaps some bells and whistles on the most heavily used portions, particularly LSE/LSW.

The second envisions moving directly to a much higher level system that encompasses all of EMUs, higher level platforms, 5 minute headways, automated operation with higher order ETCS-ish control, vastly reconfigured trackage especially at Union...... all in one big gulp and on all lines immediately. (certainly, some UT posters hold this vision, and their frustration with it not arriving comes through regularly). It sounds like DB's vision lay here and they assumed they had the mandate and funding for it.

I have to admit that I only really absorbed the former, thinking that the latter was likely to be achieved eventually, but was beyond a scope that a project could accomplish in this decade.... and recognising that 15 min 2WAD was likely all that was affordable in the short term, especially given how much construction even that will take. There simply isn't enough money to do the DB "big gulp".....and enhancing the various routes can't wait.

The most troubling part for me is the suggestion that even this lesser level of system might now be at risk and some of it deferred. We need that 15 minute service to Mount Pleasant, Aurora, and Unionville already....as well as on LSE/LSW.

And, we have shifted the goalposts by rolling in Kitchener and Niagara....which both also need urgent upgrading. Bolton ? Milton? London ?

Perhaps those two visions have indeed been fighting each other all along - if so, ML is guilty of not creating clarity, and also of not verifying just how much money is actually available.

Personally I would rather see the objective being that very conventional system sooner, with the added territory and routes. If we are going to the higher level platform, I don't see any investment in the conventional that is then torn out as money wasted.

The higher level platform deserves a single wholescale implementation on a small and delimited application, as a matter of crawling before we walk. Perhaps Bramalea/Pearson only. Followed by a larger project on Milton, which will likely evolve into a parallel non-shared paired corridor with GO fully separated from CPKC. That line will be effectively a greenfield build, a logical second step towards new practices and rules. For LSE/LSW, cram in more conventional trains until we are sure we know what we want and prove we can make the transition.

- Paul
 
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Yes, it’s over. We are only getting lakeshore and expect that to be delayed right into the 2040s.

The only thing that could change this is a really ambitious provincial gov willing to rattle the hornets nest (the old-timers at metrolinx/GO)

As @duffo notes above...........significant service improvement is still contemplated and much sooner than the electrification dates given.

That said, electrification and any move to service greater than 15 minutes, particularly outside of the Lakeshore Corridor is off the table for the next decade and a 1/2, based on the current state of affairs.
 
If this is common at ML, then there is indeed a problem. The 2WAD frequent service vision has been the ML vision since 2014-2015. Pretty well everything ML has done since then has had this end vision. if people are still fighting that....

Still, It does seem that there are two differing planes of thought. One has a vision of fairly conventional GO trains running 2WAD at 15 minute headways using current fleet (with some enhancements around things like electric locos) and perhaps some bells and whistles on the most heavily used portions, particularly LSE/LSW.

The second envisions moving directly to a much higher level system that encompasses all of EMUs, higher level platforms, 5 minute headways, automated operation with higher order ETCS-ish control, vastly reconfigured trackage especially at Union...... all in one big gulp and on all lines immediately. (certainly, some UT posters hold this vision, and their frustration with it not arriving comes through regularly). It sounds like DB's vision lay here and they assumed they had the mandate and funding for it.

I have to admit that I only really absorbed the former, thinking that the latter was likely to be achieved eventually, but was beyond a scope that a project could accomplish in this decade.... and recognising that 15 min 2WAD was likely all that was affordable in the short term, especially given how much construction even that will take. There simply isn't enough money to do the DB "big gulp".....and enhancing the various routes can't wait.

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- Paul
In my understanding it was less that DB wanted to do a bigger project, and more that they wanted to do whatever differently. I'm sure some of the stuff they wanted to do wasn't going to fly, but things like using Euro scheduling software seems perfectly sensible - the excuse mentioned in the article about where data is stored (speaking as a tech guy) sounds like rubbish (workarounds exist etc. etc.)

It sort of sounds like Metrolinx wanted the nice railway, but didn't want to do most of the things DB suggested are needed / valuable in operating a nice railway.
 
@Reecemartin I know you have retired from YouTube, but I feel like this is something you are sorely needed for: An in-depth explainer on how we got here and the failures of Metrolinx to deliver GO expansion is needed.

This has to blow up in MX’s face and they need to be pressured at every single opportunity to answer on how this project was allowed to fail this much.

This is gross incompetence that is much, much worse than the Eglinton Crosstown delays and the public is not even faintly aware of it.
 
legacy service plan
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The minute I saw this post I knew I needed to make a higher quality version, because of how fast I made this there might be mistakes, if you see one let me know.

Here’s a clearer version that will be easier to understand:

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This is utterly disappointing. When was electrification and the GO expansion announced ? It was when Wynne was premier and now to say it may not be finished until 2040 for just two lines is a joke. We are not serious in this country.

Metrolinx shares the blame but it speaks to the larger story of why things take so long to be done in this country ? We spend years just studying things instead of actually getting things built. This is a prime example.
 
This is gross incompetence that is much, much worse than the Eglinton Crosstown delays and the public is not even faintly aware of it.

This is true..........and I would certainly encourage @Reecemartin to put this out to his online audience.

That said, I do want to put out there that Jack is not the only reporter looking into this, and I expect you will see more coverage of this in the near to medium term future.
 
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Indeed! This board was a major help. I plan to continue following GO Expansion, Metrolinx and transit in general, so if anyone has inside scoops, my email/Signal is always open. jack@thetrillium.ca 647-216-6071.
Thank you for digging into this. I am disappointed that no other local media did the legwork you did. Metrolinx is a very dysfunctional organization and the media doesn't seem interested in covering it, despite how important successful transit development will be to the future of the city and the province.
 
Thank you for digging into this. I am disappointed that no other local media did the legwork you did. Metrolinx is a very dysfunctional organization and the media doesn't seem interested in covering it, despite how important successful transit development will be to the future of the city and the province.

I agree w/all the plaudits, but as I noted just above your post, other media are looking into this. I am hopeful of more coverage, which will take nothing away from Jack's excellent work, but hopefully will bring the issue to light to a wider audience.
 
The original diagram shows that (at Appleby for example) that express trains don't stop there.
I followed the diagram, the big box with no station dot connected to it means a train passes through that station, it’s shown the same way on the diagram:

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There is a mistake at Bronte though, that will be fixed.
 
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Maybe Doug, knowing how off-the-rail (sorry) GO Expansion was, decided to pivot to fantastical highway tunnels as his solution to congestion. This is not encouraging.
 
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