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It's frustrating that Metrolinx is descoping the double tracking of the Barrie line while moving forward with the flawed extension of the LSE line.

They need to halt the Bowmanville extension and focus more effort on the double tracking of the Barrie line.
Metrolinx/TTC projects in the past 20 years, and for the next 10+ years seem to encourage more sprawl than densification. Instead of adequately connecting the City of Toronto, focus is put on the suburbs and even exurbs. That's not to say that no densification has happened.

TYSSE, Yonge North extension, Bloomington GO, LSE extension, etc... How many people are expected to use Stratford's GO station?
 
It's frustrating that Metrolinx is descoping the double tracking of the Barrie line while moving forward with the flawed extension of the LSE line.

They need to halt the Bowmanville extension and focus more effort on the double tracking of the Barrie line.
If Ford could just accept there’s no hope in hell he gets reelected, then he could do something more useful than pander for votes.
 
Metrolinx/TTC projects in the past 20 years, and for the next 10+ years seem to encourage more sprawl than densification. That's not to say that no densification has happened.

TYSSE, Yonge North extension, Bloomington GO, LSE extension, etc... How many people are expected to use Stratford's GO station?
IMO, it doesn't make sense to keep extending the GO network until we can lay down more track on the existing network and be able to provide more express service.

Look at the situation with Confederation GO. We built a new GO station, only for it to see roughly 6 trains per day.
 
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If Ford could just accept there’s no hope in hell he gets reelected, then he could do something more useful than pander for votes.
Right now, there don't seem to be any viable alternatives. The Ontario Liberals are leaderless and the NDP is not much better. At this point I'd still consider Ford the favourite to win the next election (but that could change once/if the other parties get their act together).
 
The work in question involved rebuilding the foundation and structure. That is not something that you want to redo a second time when you decide you actually do want to run frequent service to Aurora.
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Can you confirm that they are still planning to rebuild the foundation to support two spans? The current foundation is not wide enough for two bridge structures. Or are you suggesting that after two years of active construction they won't actually have rebuilt anything?
At this point, I can't confirm anything beyond noting that nothing has been done at the bridge - or at least, nothing as of when I went last through there 2 months ago. And judging by this announcement, nothing more will happen.

But doing and redoing work at bridges happens all the time, as inefficient as it may seem. Look at the addition of the new tracks on the Kingston Sub, particularly at Warden and Danforth - rather than rebuild the original bridges as requested to by the City (for better vertical and horizontal clearances), they built new bridges alongside the old ones to the new, modern standards requested by the City.

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well at least better than nothing and cars jamming up an already overflowing DVP/401/400

My hope is that less is done to subsidize suburban car owners, and more is done to make cars less necessary in Toronto. Most trips within the City are still done by car. (I also question the usefulness of Confederation GO and LSE extension in alleviating traffic on the DVP/400. Although an unknee-capped Richmond Hill line and faster Barrie line with more stations would help.)
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If you still need a car to live freely in Toronto, what is the point? More traffic, worse air quality, higher property taxes, higher housing and food costs. It's no wonder sprawl is so pervasive and ongoing. Not helped by the easy-out housing construction towards the Greenbelt. (Ford's donors are licking their chops right now).

And we know sprawl is not financially sustainable for the government, unless they jack up property taxes by a LOT, which they'll never do, because winning the next election is more important.

Lived 10 minutes from Oakville GO and somehow commutes to downtown Toronto took the same time as commuting from North York. I'm supportive of the RER/Sydney Trains/Melbourne Metro Trains-like aspirations of GO Expansion, but that's starting to look more and more like slightly faster commutes for the suburbs by 2040 to 2050 (depending on the line).

The whole point of RER is to combine commuter rail characteristics in the surburbs, i.e. wide stop spacing, with metro/subway-like service, i.e. short headways. With narrower stop spacing closer to downtown. Emphasis on the last point.

Instead, Park Lawn, Spadina-Front, and King-Liberty are in limbo, Caledonia GO is somehow being built with only one track for the time being. And Doug Ford thought it would be smart to promise Lakeview GO in Mississauga, another sweetener for the suburbs.

Conversely, we got Confederation; and Stratford, the LSE extension to Bowmanville (without electrification), and Grimsby are being built. Concord and Innisfil GO are still getting attention.

I get it, stations outside Toronto are cheap to build, but how much benefit is there, and who is benefiting?

On the bright side, East Harbour, Bloor-Lansdowne, St Clair-Old Weston, are still being built. Woodbine is nice to have, if it does end up with UPX service.
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People living in Downtown subsidize those living outside of Toronto in many ways, including GO.



“There is a widespread view that this fully pays for roads — but in fact, total revenues from road users […] cover little more than half the annual government spending on roads.”

So the income taxes of car-light downtowners tend to subsidize the roads used by others.
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Major city residents, “for the most part, pay more in taxes than they receive in programs". In 2002, “the average citizen of Toronto” paid $2,113 more in federal taxes than they received in federal transfers/services.
 
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I've been wondering if express trains that terminate/originate at Union will do so at Exhibition when the Ontario Line opens. Such a scenario would be a very viable commute option for me (I live in Hamilton but work at University and Dundas) but not if my current express train use during peak hours continues, and I doubt I'll choose all-stops trains just to use the OL. I have no plans to move closer to Toronto either, maybe Burlington again but that's it.

I expect all trains will stop at Exhibition because the Ontario Line stop is there. Metrolinx wants to reduce the passenger count at Union; they're hoping people heading for Richmond/Queen will transfer to OL rather than Line 1.
 
It's frustrating that Metrolinx is descoping the double tracking of the Barrie line while moving forward with the flawed extension of the LSE line.

They need to halt the Bowmanville extension and focus more effort on the double tracking of the Barrie line.
They have enough money to do both. They should just do it. Barrie literally needs sidings just to get to 30 minutes off peak, which would be the goal for a real organization.
 
I know that Smart Track seems to have been killed by Chow and we see her council's "pause" on the Liberty Village and Spadina Go stations, but I still think Smart Track, the idea of using existing tracks and stations with a new overground-type line, using regular TTC fares, that transfers between Go lines, essentially becoming an additional relief line that continues on the west side of the city, connecting to Union to Bloor-Danforth, was a fast, cheap way to get a well-needed new transit line. I think Tory was underrated for his work on this. It may be decades now before we see an extension of the Ontario Line north-west of Exhibition. How can this city justify putting the Liberty Village station on hold given the amount of development around Joe Shuster and in the Village?
 
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I know that Smart Track seems to have been killed by Chow and we see her council's "pause" on the Liberty Village and Spadina Go stations, but I still think Smart Track, the idea of using existing tracks and stations with a new overground-type line, using regular TTC fares, that transfers between Go lines, essentially becoming an additional relief line that continues on the west side of the city, connecting to Union to Bloor-Danforth, was a fast, cheap way to get a well-needed new transit line. [...] How can his city justify putting the Liberty Village station on hold given the amount of development around Joe Shuster and in the Village?

I think there's a lot here to unpack, because there's a lot of different pieces in something like this.

First, with Bill 98, the fare difference between GO and TTC is likely already going away. So the city doesn't need to run the line, there's all going to be one unified fare structure for the GTA.

Second, it's not that the city doesn't want the stations, it's about trying to get the province to pay for them. Most GO stations are funded entirely by the province, why in Toronto, where the stations function both as origins and destinations, should the city suddenly be on the hook for the costs? The city is also concerned about the insane costs that Metrolinx is charging for the work. The city is hardly a model of efficiency compared to Europe, yet it still seems to run projects better than Metrolinx. I think the city is banking on King-Liberty being important enough for the overall GO network that if they back out the province will pick up the tab. Whereas SCOW is going ahead because they know the province will never consider that important enough to fund.

I think Tory was underrated for his work on this.

I think the issue with Tory's plan was that the province had, at the time, already committed to the GO RER project, funded entirely by the province. Introducing SmartTrack into it just made everything more confusing. The province was already doing this, so what did SmartTrack really add? He basically signed the city up to pay for something that province was already planning to pay for. The city is still stuck owing the province hundreds of millions (billions?) of dollars for stations because Tory bungled SmartTrack and brought the city into something that was happening anyways.

It's not that people here oppose the Overground-type service, I actually think it's a huge addition to the city, it's that SmartTrack was a particularly poor execution of it.
 
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