[lastcommodore]

IF a connection is made to Line 1 at Summerhill; the planning assumption will be that traffic from the west is diverted by a connectionto Line 1 at Dupont and at least some traffic from the east is diverted to the Ontario Line at Don Mills. Line 1 itself would, at the very least, require substantially better peak headways (below 2m) and more capacity at most stations south of Bloor to even consider the connection.

Don Mills? You mean Don Valley?

I wonder how well the connections will be made. Hopefully Dupont and Summerhill will have direct, weather-proof connections... but that GO to OL connection will probably be forever painfully long and disconnectied, like Main and Danforth.

 

[crs1026]

This assumes a GO line from Scarborough along the CPKC route - a diversion of the Stouffville line?

If such a line were to go ahead....the obvious thing to add would be an extension of the Ontario Line towards Lawrence, so that there could be a transfer station right at the tracks and Don Mills. Not cheap or quick, but not unreasonable within whatever the eventual envelope of 2.0 turns out to be.

Alternative is putting a GO station at Eglinton, but thinking people will backtrack east along Eglinton to the Ontario Line may be wishful thinking.

The pressure from GO riders to retain the routing to Union would be considerable.

- Paul

 

[Northern Light]

This assumes a GO line from Scarborough along the CPKC route - a diversion of the Stouffville line?

If such a line were to go ahead....the obvious thing to add would be an extension of the Ontario Line towards Lawrence, so that there could be a transfer station right at the tracks and Don Mills. Not cheap or quick, but not unreasonable within whatever the eventual envelope of 2.0 turns out to be.

Alternative is putting a GO station at Eglinton, but thinking people will backtrack east along Eglinton to the Ontario Line may be wishful thinking.

The pressure from GO riders to retain the routing to Union would be considerable.

- Paul

A northern extension of the Ontario Line is contemplated. It ranks very highly too. But is 4th or 5th in the pecking order of major projects not yet announced as funded. So far as I know there is not yet any real work on that file; but the concept exists.

 

[robmausser]

It is indeed currently single track - it's actually wide enough for two tracks though (and from my understanding was double tracked in the past).

Hunter Street Rail Tunnel at Historical Hamilton

Hunter Street Rail Tunnel at Historical Hamilton

historicalhamilton.com

In the past:

The problem is that to fit double-stack containers, the track had to be relocated within the centre of the tunnel to fit within the arched ceiling.

Any double track through the tunnel would either require replacement of the tunnel or lowering of the track bed in order to shift the tracks and create a dedicated freight and passenger track.

Bayview junction is also a major issue, GO service would need a way to cross CN's freight services to get to the Aldershot platforms and dodge the freight weaving at the junction.

It wouldn't be cheap but would unlock service to the second-densest GO station in the network with the second largest walkable employment node as well. Making Hamilton Centre 2-way all day would likely unlock a good bit of counter-direction commuting in addition to the peak hour flows.

Why dont they do an overlapping tri-track system?

GO can use outer two tracks and pass each other, and CP can use the third track in the middle.

Or, are the bilevels even too tall

 

[innsertnamehere]

Why dont they do an overlapping tri-track system?

GO can use outer two tracks and pass each other, and CP can use the third track in the middle.

Or, are the bilevels even too tall

the problem with that is that the entire point would be to separate GO and CP traffic - CP would get one track to themselves, GO would get the other.

If you do a tri-track, whenever a CP train needs the tunnel GO is blocked entirely for bi-directional travel like it is today. It doesn't fix the problem.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

It is evidently not Hamilton's time for provincial attention, but I had to throw it in the list.

There are at least 2 other equally-expensive projects semi-baked into improving service into Hamilton, as I would include the CN Yard along with Bayview. GO can run alot of trains to West Harbour today, sure, but there is much to be desired operationally. a truly dedicated coridor into central Hamilton is the core need.

Of course, what is downstream of Bayview, and the tunnel, and the yard, is alot of people and jobs well beyond the City of Hamilton. If nothing else, we are to be patient for the dollars to catch up...

Re: Hamilton I think MX has gotten lazy because no infrastructure is required to do 30 minutes to West Harbour. 15 is another story, but even that is tracks at this point. The only issues is more service to Confederation GO.
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Otherwise, I think a compromise can be done for Milton, maybe double track to Lisgar and sidings in other areas. Brampton is willpower at this point. I do think Richmond Hill should still get midday service. It can be done and it would not cost that much.

Barrie should be getting 30 minute service. Bradford 15. Mulock Go, Innisfil GO should be build, so should Lansdowne. They own the corridor, no excuse.

 

[NGP.77]

A northern extension of the Ontario Line is contemplated. It ranks very highly too. But is 4th or 5th in the pecking order of major projects not yet announced as funded. So far as I know there is not yet any real work on that file; but the concept exists.

The western extension scored even higher. Though, I think Sheppard will happen first, as lots of work has been done on its IBC and its a political priority. The two OL extensions will come after.

 

[Northern Light]

The western extension scored even higher. Though, I think Sheppard will happen first, as lots of work has been done on its IBC and its a political priority. The two OL extensions will come after.

Sheppard is indeed one of the projects ahead of an O/L extension in the current ranking.

There are a couple of others.

 

[NodeGreen11]

The western extension scored even higher. Though, I think Sheppard will happen first, as lots of work has been done on its IBC and its a political priority. The two OL extensions will come after.

From a City of Toronto Report in 2024:

https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2024/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-243162.pdf

 

[duffo]

From a City of Toronto Report in 2024:

https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2024/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-243162.pdf

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It's important to note that the City of Toronto no longer has much influence in rapid transit planning - and the long-awaited Metrolinx 2051 RTP which would provide the details around Provincial priorities is nowhere to be found

 

[Sunnyside]

Sheppard is indeed one of the projects ahead of an O/L extension in the current ranking.

There are a couple of others.

Somewhat surprised by this if you aren't referencing the city rankings. Provincially, there only seems to be various smaller items like Line 5/6 to Pearson (via Woodbine for Finch), and Line '10' to Downtown Brampton. Waterfront East is sorted, Waterfront West was dead last I heard. Perhaps some BRT projects?

 

[urbanclient]

It's important to note that the City of Toronto no longer has much influence in rapid transit planning - and the long-awaited Metrolinx 2051 RTP which would provide the details around Provincial priorities is nowhere to be found

Probably for good reason. The BRTs, I'm on board with. Subway from Sheppard McCowan to Markham Centre? What is the City of Toronto smoking?

Anybody with half a brain would know an Ontario Line West extension would be a better value than a Line 2 or 4 extension to Markham Centre (9-10 km)...

A Jane LRT from Eglinton to Pioneer Village would require a 4-5 km tunnel. Also highly suspect. A holdover from Transit City no doubt.

A Line 6 Finch West extension to Finch station would also require tunnelling. But at least they can use "sunk costs" to justify it.

 

[Northern Light]

Somewhat surprised by this if you aren't referencing the city rankings. Provincially, there only seems to be various smaller items like Line 5/6 to Pearson (via Woodbine for Finch), and Line '10' to Downtown Brampton. Waterfront East is sorted, Waterfront West was dead last I heard. Perhaps some BRT projects?

Think GO

 

[Undead]

Spoiler

Midtown GO

 

[rdaner]

I’m respectfully ignoring the past comments to shout ‘thrilled by Straty getting real rail service (sort of).’ We’ve already penciled in 3 weekends there with family/friends because getting there from central TO is much easier!