[Northern Light]

Apropos of nothing, I have been surprised to hear quite a few people say nice things about the bilingual announcements. I hated them, every time it said "prochain station" in that sing-songy voice I could feel a bit more of my soul slip away. I really wish Metrolinx would nut up and just pay a person to do their announcements, their text to speech software is just awful.

I like the idea of bilingual announcements, in the Toronto context; though I have not yet had a rider on Line 6 to hear the variation employed here.

I have to say though, the word station in both English and French is really unnecessary from a syntax point of view.......... Coxwell, est la Prochaine, Coxwell is Next should suffice. No need to be overly wordy.

 

[T3G]

I like the idea of bilingual announcements, in the Toronto context; though I have not yet had a rider on Line 6 to hear the variation employed here.

I have to say though, the work station in both English and French is really unnecessary from a syntax point of view.......... Coxwell, est la Prochaine, Coxwell is Next should suffice. No need to be overly wordy.

It's the same TTS software as heard the GO network. To their credit it's not *as* verbose as on the former (though it felt like they were trying, having two languages announce the doors are closing as the door chimes sound), but still not a fan. Even the TTC (rail) one sounds better IMO.

 

[ProjectEnd]

It has nothing to do with splitting hairs, it has to do with where the information came from and more importantly what is its basis.

In this case, the consortium is worried that increased vehicle speeds will result in increased wear on the vehicles - which means that they will need to be serviced more often, and thus affects their bottom line. Of course they are going to complain about it, and because the contracts are written in the way they are, they win in this case. Which is patently absurd.

Dan

 

[A 6264]

Apologies, this is the wrong forum for this picture, but I'm not sure which is the right one. Since we talk about new signage on this forum, I'll put it here.
CityNews has an article up with map showing weekend subway closures. I really don't think they made this themselves, so the TTC must have provided it.
Notice anything wrong?

 

[smallspy]

I implore you read this quote from @lastcommodore for my sentiment on this issue and other members' posts with evidence that this is the TTC playing dumb and acting powerless. When in fact, they likely have the ability to make changes, but they would rather sit on their hands and do nothing. There is a clear pattern of behaviour of the TTC coming up with any and all excuses to avoid changing anything besides slowing down service even further i.e. Flexity streetcars, Line 1's top speed is reduced etc...:

I am aware of discussions that have happened that are not in the public sphere. Thus why I posted what I did.

You can choose to believe them or not - that's on you.

Dan

 

[PL1]

Apologies, this is the wrong forum for this picture, but I'm not sure which is the right one. Since we talk about new signage on this forum, I'll put it here.
CityNews has an article up with map showing weekend subway closures. I really don't think they made this themselves, so the TTC must have provided it.
Notice anything wrong?
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TMU station (formerly Dundas)?

 

[lastcommodore]

Apologies, this is the wrong forum for this picture, but I'm not sure which is the right one. Since we talk about new signage on this forum, I'll put it here.
CityNews has an article up with map showing weekend subway closures. I really don't think they made this themselves, so the TTC must have provided it.
Notice anything wrong?
View attachment 702501

"There is no subway service between Osgoode and College stations due to planned track work." implies termini at college and osgoode, but the diagram indicates those stations are also closed.... Also for Ossington-St. George

 

[A 6264]

"There is no subway service between Osgoode and College stations due to planned track work." implies termini at college and osgoode, but the diagram indicates those stations are also closed.... Also for Ossington-St. George

Good point, I didn't catch that. It's the old "between point A and point B" problem, when they mean to say from and including A to B. How do people get jobs writing media stories, but never learned about common mistakes like this? Most of us learned these things in high school English class, or just from life experience. (And it's not an ESL problem; it would be the same logic mistake in any language.) (Pardon my grumpiness.)

 

[youngblood]

It has nothing to do with splitting hairs, it has to do with where the information came from and more importantly what is its basis.

In this case, the consortium is worried that increased vehicle speeds will result in increased wear on the vehicles - which means that they will need to be serviced more often, and thus affects their bottom line. Of course they are going to complain about it, and because the contracts are written in the way they are, they win in this case. Which is patently absurd.

Dan

The way you wrote this, it seems as though the case is shut. Does the city/Metrolinx have any path to improving service at all?

 

[Bojaxs]

It has nothing to do with splitting hairs, it has to do with where the information came from and more importantly what is its basis.

In this case, the consortium is worried that increased vehicle speeds will result in increased wear on the vehicles - which means that they will need to be serviced more often, and thus affects their bottom line. Of course they are going to complain about it, and because the contracts are written in the way they are, they win in this case. Which is patently absurd.

Dan

Who's the consortium? Mosaic? Do they own the trains? I thought Metrolinx owned the trains?

In regards to Line 6, can someone give a brief break down of what the responsibilities are for each party?

This seems to be the cause of so much confusion.

 

[lastcommodore]

Good point, I didn't catch that. It's the old "between point A and point B" problem, when they mean to say from and including A to B. How do people get jobs writing media stories, but never learned about common mistakes like this? Most of us learned these things in high school English class, or just from life experience. (And it's not an ESL problem; it would be the same logic mistake in any language.) (Pardon my grumpiness.)

Actually, I think its the diagram thats wrong here. I took Line 1 last weekend, with the same notice (btwn college and osgoode) and it terminated at college... I think a good amount of people interpret between as inclusive for some reason

My friend also asked how long a walk it was from Wellington... Thought it terminated there

So they somehow messed up their own diagram. Impressive, really

 

[txlseries4]

Good point, I didn't catch that. It's the old "between point A and point B" problem, when they mean to say from and including A to B. How do people get jobs writing media stories, but never learned about common mistakes like this? Most of us learned these things in high school English class, or just from life experience. (And it's not an ESL problem; it would be the same logic mistake in any language.) (Pardon my grumpiness.)

Actually, I think its the diagram thats wrong here. I took Line 1 last weekend, with the same notice (btwn college and osgoode) and it terminated at college... I think a good amount of people interpret between as inclusive for some reason

My friend also asked how long a walk it was from Wellington... Thought it terminated there

So they somehow messed up their own diagram. Impressive, really

You two are seriously underestimating how challenging communication is through words and images. If it was as easy as you make it out to be slip ups wouldn’t happen as often as they do.

But the irony is that you’re criticizing an “impressive” mess up when you’re not even looking at the map from the TTC. The graphic on the CityNews site is attributed to CityNews because they made it themselves. I mean come on, take a deep breath and use your head before you jump to conclusions.

Here’s the map from the service advisory:

The most bewildering part is that this has nothing to do with Finch West Line 6...

 

[lastcommodore]

You two are seriously underestimating how challenging communication is through words and images. If it was as easy as you make it out to be slip ups wouldn’t happen as often as they do.

But the irony is that you’re criticizing an “impressive” mess up when you’re not even looking at the map from the TTC. The graphic on the CityNews site is attributed to CityNews because they made it themselves. I mean come on, take a deep breath and use your head before you jump to conclusions.

Here’s the map from the service advisory:

The most bewildering part is that this has nothing to do with Finch West Line 6...

I stand corrected. Thank you!
I did not know the diagram was made by CityNews. CityNews messed it up, not the TTC.
For the record, I do not believe communication is easy. It is very challenging. For me the advisory was very clear and the idea that College was not in service did not occur to me until a friend made the mistake.

 

[KevinT]

The TTC brought their own "experience" while GRT actually went through the effort to learn best operating practices and apply them

We hired out, Keolis runs iON on behalf of GRT.

Sadly the terms of the DBFOM contract seem to preclude them making any improvements to the line, like eliminating the weird slow downs in some of the off-street ATP zones, or tuning the crossing gate timings to avoid crazy long traffic backups. It's insane how early some of the gates go down, and how long they stay down after the trains have passed.

At least we have okay-ish average speeds.

 

[A 6264]

You two are seriously underestimating how challenging communication is through words and images. If it was as easy as you make it out to be slip ups wouldn’t happen as often as they do.

But the irony is that you’re criticizing an “impressive” mess up when you’re not even looking at the map from the TTC. The graphic on the CityNews site is attributed to CityNews because they made it themselves. I mean come on, take a deep breath and use your head before you jump to conclusions.
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Here’s the map from the service advisory:
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The most bewildering part is that this has nothing to do with Finch West Line 6...

I stand corrected as well. The official TTC map is very clear, I wonder why CityNews didn't use it. The article is, after all, purporting to pass on info from the TTC.
As for excusing CityNews and saying communication is hard, I don't buy it. A quick glance by the writer looking at his own map should have made it obvious that it could be misleading.
HOWEVER, the map isn't actually wrong. It shows the route the shuttle bus takes. It's just that it could be mistaken as showing which stations are closed.
I'm not picking on CityNews. All media outlets no longer use proofreaders, it seems to me, and I'm sure a proofreader would catch things like this.
Or maybe they use AI instead, which is worse than no proofreading at all.