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From what I understand a source for this claim has not been provided.

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How does the current legal battle affect train testing and operator training? Is it the case that access is merely limited to certain hours or a maximum amount of hours per day?
 
6ixGod said:
BuiLdiNg LRTs wiLL bE fAsTeR aNd cHeApEr
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Neat rhetorical trick, choosing one that no one can disprove.

There are zero comparison points right now except for the Crosstown, which is primarily underground and had already been in the works for 8 years when the Finch line started construction. Maybe stick to the facts instead of thinking that typing in alternating case letters is an argument.
 
T3G said:
Neat rhetorical trick, choosing one that no one can disprove.

There are zero comparison points right now except for the Crosstown, which is primarily underground and had already been in the works for 8 years when the Finch line started construction. Maybe stick to the facts instead of thinking that typing in alternating case letters is an argument.
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There's no denying that was one of the justifications that government officials made for LRTs over heavy rail subways though...
And at the time (10-15 years ago) I was fully on board with that idea.
Now we've seen examples of Eglinton, Finch, Hurontario, and in Ottawa, and I'm not so sure anymore...
 
stevedean said:
There's no denying that was one of the justifications that government officials made for LRTs over heavy rail subways though...
And at the time (10-15 years ago) I was fully on board with that idea.
Now we've seen examples of Eglinton, Finch, Hurontario, and in Ottawa, and I'm not so sure anymore...
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Until we have a completed LRT and subway project all comparisons will be futile though. Because the post I quoted, mocking the idea that LRTs are cheaper and faster, is engaging in a logical fallacy - just because the LRTs are strung out and overbudgeted boondoggles doesn't mean a subway wouldn't be proportionally more so. Given the complexities of subways as compared to surface running LRTs I would be very cautious with making any kind of assumption to the contrary.
 
T3G said:
Until we have a completed LRT and subway project all comparisons will be futile though. Because the post I quoted, mocking the idea that LRTs are cheaper and faster, is engaging in a logical fallacy - just because the LRTs are strung out and overbudgeted boondoggles doesn't mean a subway wouldn't be proportionally more so. Given the complexities of subways as compared to surface running LRTs I would be very cautious with making any kind of assumption to the contrary.
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I agree that a subway could and probably would have major delays as well. And a subway on this part of Finch never made sense...

But if we look at from a 50-100 year viewpoint, I'm more willing to put up with construction delays on a project that will be better in the long term.
 
Towered said:
Should Finch have been tunnelled as a full subway?
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No. There is not the development on Finch for a subway and there wont be for a very long time, or ever.

At least not for 50 years, and then at that time the tunnels, trains, track and everything will need a full refurbishment, and you're basically spending tons of money again for something to be built way too early.

Honestly this should have been BRT like in Newmarket.

The way we built LRT with the Transit City project is completely a waste of money and at odds with how good LRT systems around the world are built. Crosstown is an exception because much of it is tunneled.

Putting LRT in the middle of the road like a streetcar completely hampers its speed, and puts riders at risk when crossing and leaving the island stations. We basically cannot look past how we did streetcars and not mimic that with LRT.

Look at Calgary, Edmonton, Seattle, Portland, Denver, Los Angeles etc etc LRT and you will see how LRT is built properly. Even Ottawa LRT is done better, but it was done so well, it should have been a Metro system. ION LRT is another good example.

All the aforementioned LRT systems use dedicated rights of ways, whether abandoned rail corridors, hydro corridors, closing off small streets and making them completely car free and dedicated to LRT. etc etc. The LRTs are much more separated from vehicular traffic and intersections.

Thats not really possible along Finch (well, you could use the Finch Hydro corridor but its a bit far away and problematic) and so when its not possible to do something like this, smarter minds would say "well it doesnt make sense to use LRT here, BRT would be a way better ROI"

But LRT was all the rage in the 2000's so we forced a square peg in a round hole. The fact that EVERY line in Transit City was LRT is all the proof you need. Its rare that every single line in a 7 line system has the exact same transit type, as there is no one-size-fits-all solution.
 
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