[north-of-anything]

I still think this is a bad idea. Kingston Road should have a contiguous transit solution from at least Morningside to Danforth, and I'm concerned that LRT tracks will preclude BRT operations on that route. Not to mention choices like the stop spacing west of Danforth Road and the horseshoe shaped route.

 

[dullturtle06]

If the city was serious about transit to UTSC then they would push Metrolinx to actually build the Ellsemere BRT, and instead of using the limited funds for 10,000 studies of "transit is good", they could take the planning Metrolinx has completed and help with the funding portion. Once the Line 2 extension is complete, it would provide a excellent transit backbone for Scarborough.

 

[JBR]

I’m now curious what the costs would be for the below 2 options vs building this useless EELRT

1. Build this as a BRT only to UTSC

2. Build SRT phase2 as an LRT from STC to MalvernTC (most of the corridor is still intact)(from current McCowanYard to Progress, along Progress thru Centennial College and then NE via open green space to MalvernTC)

 

[Steve X]

The curvy section near UTSC seems very problematic as the left turn from ellesmere north on to military trail is a slanted intersection and is very sharp. I wonder how they plan to get massive LRVs to navigate these tight turns?

Plan was always a 90 degrees turn. Even in the old Malvern LRT plan, that was the design.

I really hope they get this moving before it just turns into redoing the transit city EA again and again with nothing built. This is basically an update to that.

 

[Rainforest]

I still think this is a bad idea. Kingston Road should have a contiguous transit solution from at least Morningside to Danforth, and I'm concerned that LRT tracks will preclude BRT operations on that route. Not to mention choices like the stop spacing west of Danforth Road and the horseshoe shaped route.

The majority of riders will not want to travel the whole length of Kingston Road. If their destination is in downtown or midtown, they can get there faster if they transfer to the subway sooner.

 

[Rainforest]

I’m now curious what the costs would be for the below 2 options vs building this useless EELRT

1. Build this as a BRT only to UTSC

Depends on the latest ridership forecast. If it is in the range of 4K per hour per direction, that's not easy to handle with BRT.

If the ridership forecast gets a lot lower, then perhaps BRT is a good idea.

2. Build SRT phase2 as an LRT from STC to MalvernTC (most of the corridor is still intact)(from current McCowanYard to Progress, along Progress thru Centennial College and then NE via open green space to MalvernTC)

A very short LRT route, that will require its own yard (no connection to any other LRT tracks, if EELRT doesn't exist).

And, probably doesn't improve the travel time from Malvern TC to the subway, compared to taking a bus to Sheppard/McCowan. The bus is slower, but needs to cover a shorter distance.

 

[north-of-anything]

The majority of riders will not want to travel the whole length of Kingston Road. If their destination is in downtown or midtown, they can get there faster if they transfer to the subway sooner.

Then make a bus route that turns off dedicated bus lanes on Kingston and onto dedicated bus lanes on Eglinton.

 

[nfitz]

Then make a bus route that turns off dedicated bus lanes on Kingston and onto dedicated bus lanes on Eglinton.

How does that differ from the current 86/986?

 

[north-of-anything]

How does that differ from the current 86/986?

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It doesn't. What's wrong with the 986 that can't be fixed with frequency and signal priority?

 

[Thaboss]

It doesn't. What's wrong with the 986 that can't be fixed with frequency and signal priority?

What's wrong is that the city of toronto hardly wants to give its LRTs signal priority, talkless of BRT receiving such priority.

 

[Rainforest]

It doesn't. What's wrong with the 986 that can't be fixed with frequency and signal priority?

Capacity? Buses are smaller than LRT trains.

 

[nfitz]

Capacity? Buses are smaller than LRT trains.

986 only runs every 12 minutes in afternoon peak. And doesn't even run most of the day. I don't think capacity is an issue.

On the other hand, at about 5 times the capacity, they could run a 2 car LRT train once an hour.

 

[Rainforest]

986 only runs every 12 minutes in afternoon peak. And doesn't even run most of the day. I don't think capacity is an issue.

On the other hand, at about 5 times the capacity, they could run a 2 car LRT train once an hour.

The LRT would replace bus routes 86, 116, 905, and 986, whose combined frequency is quite a bit higher than every 12 min.

Anyway, the buses are probably fine for today's demand. It is the forecast future demand - if the forecast of around 4K per hour per direction still stands - that makes the LRT desirable.

 

[Thaboss]

The LRT would replace bus routes 86, 116, 905, and 986, whose combined frequency is quite a bit higher than every 12 min.

Anyway, the buses are probably fine for today's demand. It is the forecast future demand - if the forecast of around 4K per hour per direction still stands - that makes the LRT desirable.

By the time this thing is built, the future will be now.

Naturally meeting demand versus satisfying demand is something toronto has never been good at. I'm hoping they choose to meet demand for once before it's much too late and way more expensive.

 

[Amare]

By the time this thing is built, the future will be now.

Naturally meeting demand versus satisfying demand is something toronto has never been good at. I'm hoping they choose to meet demand for once before it's much too late and way more expensive.

This is all performative work, they dont have 1 cent of funding for this. By the time the find that 1 cent, they'll have to re-do the EA.

Needless to say, this thing ain't happening anytime soon so dont read into it.